Self resonating powering circuit for HHO cell
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Thank you very much, and your english is ok)))
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@3nealweber3 What circuit is this you are talking about? thanks
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There is a youtuber that is very successfully using this circuit on an HHO system. I have built this circuit using a bifilar wound air core (400 turns 20ga and a 3 strand 400 turn 24ga parallel) and it works great. Finds the resonant freq and will even recharge non-rechargeable batteries in about 10-15 min.
Output is a much higher voltage and very low current.
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The circuit might fail to osscilate, but the Bias arrangement on the transiostor's base will ensure a constand DC currnet flow through the coil and resistor. If the inductor is shorted out through the solute, then it will be the path of least resistance for current to flow so the circuit will still work, but not as you expect. You will be wasting significant energy in the 100R resistor and CE Junction of the transistor. Based on the resistor, the maximum current you will achieve is only 120mA.
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From the schematic, It is clearly a single transtor oscillator. While it will definitely work correctly with a capacitor instead of the HHO Cell, it will not function when the plates for the HHO Cell are submerged in the solution. Unless you intend on using pure, demineralised water,then any catalyst or ionising electrolyte will conduct and will prevent the plates from acting as a capacitor. You will effectively create a short circuit across your inductor/coil and it will fail to osscilate
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Hi and thanks for your video.
You said "free voltage", is that really "free"? isn't the grids in several countries make paid for reactive energy too? or limit it by low? Or if batteries, won't break faster? So did You really check the energy taken? but any way, could be HHO energy is more valuable than the electricity at the input, makes COP>1, like in heat pumps :) Could you confirm all that please? Cheers.
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When you think about it it doesnt break the law of thermodynamics at all. If you use SS electrodes a lot of energy went into the production of those electrodes It just so happens that the chromium they put in it is what creates the oxide (white film) on the surface of the electrodes after they are used for a while. The more its used the higher the resistance of the electrodes gets because the more you are building up this semiconductor on the surface... and THATS where you get your gain
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I hate how posts end up backwards... but what i was obviously guessing was the the circuit was obviously oscillating and everything was working hence the arc was formed and maintained under water.... you could hear the hissing/static... but what i also noticed was odd... right as the arc occurred the gas bubbles that are just formed were repelled AWAY from the arc... they didnt ignite.... could mean a lot in regards to overall safety....
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My problem was then that my coil heated up too much... I guess switching to a larger wire wouldnt hurt... Im about to try the same set up with a better "cell" but with a primary of 300 turns and a feedback of 30 but im switching to maybe 20 awg for the primary and sticking with 30 for the feedback winding. One thing I noticed that was interesting was that when i bumped the electrodes in the water and they arced out a bright white arc was formed and stayed going for a while under water...
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If anyone is interested this circuit is similar to the single transistor flyback driver circuit which can be easily found all over the internet This circuit DOES work with a 12 volt input as an HHO generator. I Used a coil of 30 AWG 600 turns and a feedback coil of 60 (same wire)... according to the original patent its supposed to be 1 feedback turn for every 10 primary turns.. it took some messing around with but once i got the electrodes at 1mm the gas production hissed like radio static
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@TheGuru2You I looked at this circuit after a year and my mind clicked and said!!! Great Idea!!!!! To make it work to Produce HHO.... Construct a transformer of Meyer VIC type... Use L1 as Primary, L2 as the Pickup coil, secondary step-up to 300V-400V a schotky diode 1000V PIV rated, two chokes and there you go... The simplest Stan Meyer Resonant style self tuning circuit :).... I will try it as soon as my VIC Transformer is ready ;)
did it work?
machinationu 8 months ago
@machinationu
The circuit is selfossilating and works but I have not tested it with a HHO Cell. When I built this circuit in school many years ago I used a capacitaor instead of a HHO Cell. So this circuit is still only theory. It will not produce HHO with only 12 Volt input - you need high voltage for a theoretical working model. 12 volt won´t harm my viewers and only the qualified can change this cicuit to high voltage.
TheGuru2You 8 months ago
I couldn't get past the part in the description that says it was invented in 1913, when the very first thing you see in the video is the schematic which has a transistor. Transistors weren't invented until 1947 making that claim impossible.
misterbeefy33 10 months ago
@misterbeefy33
The original used a tube triode that was patented in 1906. In 1912 the first amplifier was available using tube triodes and 1913 the first high vacuum tube triodes were produced. Although this circuit now uses a transistor the principle remains the same.
TheGuru2You 10 months ago 4
Thanks for response. Yes you're right when decreasing windings on L1 it seems that frequency is going up. Is it true that for electrolysis only DC current only should be used as one of the guys here was saying ; if so should I do a diode to the cell then?.
Thanks
guruji243 11 months ago
@guruji243
A diode at the cell breaks the oscillation between the cell and L1. With a diode at the cell you could power the cell with back EMF from L1. Without the diode the cell gets a phase shifted sine wave. The point is the phase shift, meaning the cell first gets the voltage potential and current flow follows later offset by 90 degree. So you have 180 degree regular current HHO production and 180 degree "free" voltage potential HHO production per 360 degree cycle. Input voltage: 100V-2000V
TheGuru2You 11 months ago