Gustav Mahler: 'Das Lied von der Erde' conducted by Walter, sung by Ferrier. 6th mvmt (part 1)
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Anyone else come here via "Alma?"
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I don't roll my eyes when female singers sing it. But after hearing male singers go at it, female versions sound pretty and "decorative." When someone like Fisher-Dieskau, Hampson, or Christian Gerhaher (Kent Nagano, conducting) tackle "Der Abschied," there's a Hamlet-like drama. I'm not saying Mahler's lieder are best left to the guys, but many of them, such as the "Kindertotenlieder," are told from a male perspective. "Der Abschied" isn't a trouser role. That's MY goofy opinion, anyway.
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I can't help but think that if Mahler were alive today and he heard, say, Fisher-Diskau or Hampson (among others) sing the "Abschied," he'd have approved heartily.
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@flylooper When you quote de La Grange, that's pretty much the end of the debate. The defense rests. Still, by specifying "low voice" and "high voice," Mahler is being pretty flexible. He might've gone with the best singers, male or female, depending on who was available and how good they were. Still, Walter BELIEVING Mahler WOULD have chosen soprano and contralto sounds more like that old softy Walter's preferences. I'm pretty much sold on tenor and baritones by now; yeah, the MTT.
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@flylooper Oops! Check that. My copy is Hampson and the San Fran with MTT.
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According to Henry de La Grange in his absolutely definitive 3 volume bio of Mahler, Bruno Walter believed that Mahler would have chosen a soprano and a contralto to sing Das Lied. (He never lived long enough to hear it performed.), the reason being that it was too strenuous for the male voice (at least the ones of his day. v.3, page 1324) Even today, there is a shortage of true contralto's though. Nevertheless, I love my copy of Hampson with the VPO and Lenny.
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@flylooper I'm on your side. I'm glad we're getting over the outdated "tradition" of hearing women sing Mahler songs that are more profound, less "pretty," when sung by men. I'm not going to toss my Janet Baker, Ferrier or Jessye Norman recordings out but, seriously, Hampson and Fischer-Dieskau are what Mahler had in mind.
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LOVE IT! <3
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Never fails to bring tears to the eye. I find Kathlene Ferrier irresistable. It is my biggest regret that I never heard her or John Coltrane perform live. Which recording is best? Does it matter: Mahler's wonderful vision can be seen through many eyes. But, for me Walter and Ferrier bring a lovers beauty to the music which I find unique!!
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@flylooper Rubbish
Magnífico !,Ferrier canta con fuerza y emoción incomparables.
Magnificent !, Ferrier sings with incomparable force and emotion.
TheLeonardoSaez 2 years ago 6
You guys are all hung up on "authenticity." That Walter and Ferrier were terrific artists goes without saying. But to state the there has never been a better giving of something is ludicrous.
My God. Bernstein? Thomas Hampson? Christa Ludwig?Von Karajan? Haitink? Eschenbach? Tilson-Thomas? Fischer-Diskau? All in2nd place? Give me a break. This is wonderful music, but no one "owns" it. Not even Bruno Walter, who was Mahler's protegee.
flylooper 8 months ago 2