@norcallogger : in all seriousness; when you cut a majority of mature trees in a couple of generations, you are far exceeding the replacement rate. do you want to spend several centuries without an established forest on these watersheds? perhaps see what happens to what is left of our fisheries? our economy?
there's got to be a future for this state, for your job, for ours, and this is not the way to go about it. it can't be that hard to see when you look at.
While small clearcuts are better than huge clearcuts, the model we have in mind is selective cut only, which avoids the damaging effects of clearcutting. Even small clearcuts may require herbicides to keep the invasive species down, and herbicides are very toxic when they make it into watercourses, not to mention the diesel fuel that is used to carry the herbicides. Selective harvest can maintain a multi-layered canopy throughout the forest, which leads to an overall healthier forest.
it looks ugly but the forest has a different time line than human life... that tree in the vid is probably 120 years old by my guess.. redwoods grow fast for conifers trees...
Clearcut logging is a based on the short-term quick-profit model, which is part of the reason why Pacific Lumber went bankrupt and no longer exists. Selective harvest is more of a long-term economic strategy, providing forests and jobs over the long haul, instead of liquidating the standing timber quickly and laying off hundreds of workers within 2 decades. Look at how quickly Maxxam ran PL into the ground with their practices. Boom-and-bust only works for greedy CEOs, not the workers or HRC.
clearcut logging will be phased out? maybe making money will be phased out too? clearcuts are safer and much more productive thats why its done responsibly.
So if a lot of the units you've been in were logged 20 years ago, how is there any old growth left for you to fall? That was my point. Maxxam didn't leave much, and 20 years ago would have been within the first few years of Maxxam reign. Clearcut logging will be phased out by the new Humboldt Redwood Company, and that's a victory that has been won through years of activism. Now even the industry folks are realizing that it's better to act responsibly, easier to do business without protests:)
2,000 yr old trees dont grow in 20 yrs ? REALLY???WOW???HAAHA....Im not sure but i think it probably takes about 2,000 yrs....Maybe you can post more of these "amazing facts"
2,000-year-old trees don't grow in 20 years. I know that the trees people were defending have been permanently protected, under the new HRC management, and I do believe that things have changed. I believe Mike Jani, the president of the new Humboldt Redwood Company, is an honest and sincere man, and I have yet to see or hear any real proof otherwise. Time will tell, yet I know that some of our objectives have been reached. NCEF! has successfully helped to save thousands of acres:)
@norcallogger : in all seriousness; when you cut a majority of mature trees in a couple of generations, you are far exceeding the replacement rate. do you want to spend several centuries without an established forest on these watersheds? perhaps see what happens to what is left of our fisheries? our economy?
there's got to be a future for this state, for your job, for ours, and this is not the way to go about it. it can't be that hard to see when you look at.
concretefeet 1 year ago
@norcallogger, nobody is growing 2,000-year-old trees, that's the problem.
NCEFMedia 1 year ago
@NCEFMedia clear cuts are done for a reason and then replanted to 2000 years from now the trees can get cut again
norcallogger 1 year ago
While small clearcuts are better than huge clearcuts, the model we have in mind is selective cut only, which avoids the damaging effects of clearcutting. Even small clearcuts may require herbicides to keep the invasive species down, and herbicides are very toxic when they make it into watercourses, not to mention the diesel fuel that is used to carry the herbicides. Selective harvest can maintain a multi-layered canopy throughout the forest, which leads to an overall healthier forest.
NCEFMedia 2 years ago
i would say that small clear cuts are the best...
it looks ugly but the forest has a different time line than human life... that tree in the vid is probably 120 years old by my guess.. redwoods grow fast for conifers trees...
jwiska 2 years ago
Clearcut logging is a based on the short-term quick-profit model, which is part of the reason why Pacific Lumber went bankrupt and no longer exists. Selective harvest is more of a long-term economic strategy, providing forests and jobs over the long haul, instead of liquidating the standing timber quickly and laying off hundreds of workers within 2 decades. Look at how quickly Maxxam ran PL into the ground with their practices. Boom-and-bust only works for greedy CEOs, not the workers or HRC.
NCEFMedia 3 years ago
clearcut logging will be phased out? maybe making money will be phased out too? clearcuts are safer and much more productive thats why its done responsibly.
robodeer 3 years ago
So if a lot of the units you've been in were logged 20 years ago, how is there any old growth left for you to fall? That was my point. Maxxam didn't leave much, and 20 years ago would have been within the first few years of Maxxam reign. Clearcut logging will be phased out by the new Humboldt Redwood Company, and that's a victory that has been won through years of activism. Now even the industry folks are realizing that it's better to act responsibly, easier to do business without protests:)
NCEFMedia 3 years ago
2,000 yr old trees dont grow in 20 yrs ? REALLY???WOW???HAAHA....Im not sure but i think it probably takes about 2,000 yrs....Maybe you can post more of these "amazing facts"
robodeer 3 years ago
2,000-year-old trees don't grow in 20 years. I know that the trees people were defending have been permanently protected, under the new HRC management, and I do believe that things have changed. I believe Mike Jani, the president of the new Humboldt Redwood Company, is an honest and sincere man, and I have yet to see or hear any real proof otherwise. Time will tell, yet I know that some of our objectives have been reached. NCEF! has successfully helped to save thousands of acres:)
NCEFMedia 3 years ago