John Piper - Why Does Evil Exist?

"The Fatal Disobedience of Adam and the Triumphant Obedience of Christ"

Romans 5:12-21
August 26, 2007

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[tobo86]

Blimey. That's a lot of of information. Still, I appreciate your input. So, what I'm hearing is that evil is absolute and that it is a curse of free will. In elaboration, could you tell me whether there are psychological conditions that set up the 'curse'? For example, the 'prisoner's dilemma' and the 'tragedy of the commons'? Those will need looking up on wiki, but are invaluable to moral discussion. In those situations, what would Jesus do? No-one has found me an answer yet!

[killerproctologist88]

@tobo86 to change his freewill. You see, freewill is a gift humans naturally tend to turn into a curse. We can choose whether or not we want to follow Yahwehs rules or not and because of the condition of our fallen world we naturally don't want to follow Yahweh. It takes effort. Yahweh however used his foreknowledge of how Hitler was going to use his freewill to punish the Jews for rejecting Yeshua that led to his execution. (my personal opinion)

[killerproctologist88]

@tobo86 Malachi 3:6 "For I am the LORD, I change not." Thus neither does His divine law that supersedes time and space, for He made time and space. What was evil to Yahweh 5,000 years ago is still evil to Him today and always will be. That's why the Bible never dies! It is timeless, eternal, just like Yahweh Himself! Anyway to answer the last part of your question, Yahweh isn't surprised by anything. He knew how Hitler was going to use his free will, that however does not give Yahweh legality

[killerproctologist88]

@tobo86 have added words, and taken verses away specifically the ones having to do with their personal sin OR they deny the deity of Yeshua the Messiah (Jesus) or they change or omit verses that warn people not to change or omit verses. They think by perverting the word of Yahweh (Hebrew for God) they can somehow outsmart Him or something. Outta sight outta mind I guess? Anyway, to answer your question further, it is important to realize that Yahweh does not change....

[killerproctologist88]

@tobo86 All questions are welcome. The King James Bible is the authority because the KJV (King James Version) is the only Bible out there that hasn't been perverted by sinful men. All 500+ translations of the "new age" Bibles out there are based on the KJV. That's why it's called the, "Authorized Version" because it is the translation all other translations are based on HOWEVER it is imperative to note that this new translations DO NOT simply put the words of Yahweh into different terms, they

[tobo86]

@killerproctologist88 Please forgive me if I ask too many questions - I am simply curious in my path to truth. If I'm correct, I'm hearing that the Kombai people are morally wrong because their beliefs don't follow in line with James Bible. Why is he an authority on the matter? Surely there has been some kind of moral development since then? Other questions puzzle me such as: would Jesus have killed Hitler given the chance, knowing millions would die if he didn't?

[killerproctologist88]

@tobo86 Especially because Yeshua came not to preach to the rightious, but the lost. Foolish Jews of the day mocked him for dining and speaking with the criminals and such but Yeshua replied unto them "A Dr. doesn't visit the healthy, a Dr. visits the sick" and the point is we're all spiritually lost until salvation so Yeshua came to save sinners and that goes for each and every person reading this comment. He can forgive you of every sin you could possibly commit the rest of your life.Get saved

[killerproctologist88]

@tobo86 I would say that they are deceived and that that teaching is incorrect. Also, what is morally good is decided by the Authorized 1611 King James Bible (aka the Word of YHWH) no one and nothing else. Whats' morally acceptable isn't relative to time or place or circumstance. If you are confused and since we are in the New Testament, ask yourself this question, "What would Jesus have done?" And if you even know a slight bit about his character he probably wouldn't have cannbilized anyone.

[tobo86]

Dear Christians,

Cannibals, specifically the Kombai tribe of Papua New Guinea. They kill and eat men they believe are evil, known as sorcerers. But this act, to them, is morally good as they believe they are rescuing the souls of the sorcerer's victims, trapped inside his body. This is true. Surely your belief in God is as baseless as theirs of the sorcerer?

[doctorw2]

@societyofsin no sorry he isnt even jesus himself said he wasnt.