Pain and Suffering

Why is there pain and suffering in this world? John Piper answers.

This is one of my favorite audio clips.

Category:

Education

Tags:

• pain
• suffering
• dying
• death
• God
• Christianity
• Jesus
• gospel
• john
• piper

[slimjunks]

jesus didn't suffer, he knew he was goin' 2 a better place... suffrage is goin' 2 prison at 18 years old, for life... the universe is billions of years old, but god's great plan was for one lil' guy on planet earth to die 2000 years ago? die for my sins? did i ask for him to do that? further did i ask 2 b born? did i ask to b part of a grand experiment? do i amuse god? i've got a bone to pick w/ him, cuz WE ARE CONSCIOUS... now, THAT'S what i call suffrage...

[symphonyofscripture]

You can tell Him that on Judgment Day, when all the great ones of this world call to the mountains and rocks to fall on them to hide from the face of Him who is seated on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb (Rev. 6:16)

OR, you can acknowledge Him as God, be forgiven of your sins against Him, and rule as kings in the world to come.

[chiefwigie]

whatever happened to the other version of this with the music behind it? speaking of which, does anyone know the name of the artist who did the music to the old one?

[symphonyofscripture]

Not sure. I think it might have been Jars of Clay.

[matt3i6]

Jesus fulfilled the law and the prophets - he performed miracles only God could perform - yet you will believe Mohammad who performs no miracles and comes along some 600 years after Christ? That's nonsense. That's not strait thinking - stop allowing yourself to be deceived.

[1wingsolja]

slimjunks:

What Rubbish.

Jesus Christ, a Lamb without spot or blemish - perfect - who should never die or feel pain was not only forsaken of everyone, crucified and left in Hell for 3 days paying for our sins WILLINGLY, but even moreso - He had His FATHER'S WRATH upon Him tho innocent! He was separated from His Father when He shouldn't have been, He who is pure love...

Mat 27:46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying... My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

[StacyTood]

This insane idea that God may do something like this to anyone comes form those who have no love in their heart but fear and hate.

The meaning of life is what we make of it and what we make of it is who we are.

[hiaspe]

From which sermon was this taken?

[matternicuss]

to say there is pain in the world only so jesus could experience it is circular logic. i would say jesus became human SO that he could experience the pain we feel everyday, but to say it was all started FOR him is silly, for without pain and suffering, there would be no need for jesus for there would of course be no sin. its also like saying there is pain in the world so that we could experience the pain jesus felt. really bad theology here, hes merely trying to rationalize the issue

[letsmakeyouthink90]

God doesn't want us to hurt or suffer.(genesis 6:5-6) He is loving and just (psalm37:8). The scriptures say that God is not wicked. Jesus was so self-less in that action. God wasn't happy to see his Son do such a thing. It had to be done. God is not the cause of pain and suffering in the world. That is not what the bible teaches.

[letsmakeyouthink90]

I feel that Mr. Piper has overshot on this. Correct in God's sacrifice - Jesus dying to reconcile us back to God. However, God didn't INTEND for us to deal with pain and suffering. That is most definitely in opposition of the scriptures. God created the Earth, to be perfect. For perfect human being to exists and live. Because of their choices, SIN entered the world. Pain entered- clearly states Eve would experience pain in child birth.

[paddymourinho]

lol, when god created the world, why didnt he just make it perfect, without sin, without suffering, without temptation?! then his son wouldnt have to suffer!.....this is flawed logic.