The Clergy/ laity Church lie

What every priest, pope and pastor doesn't want you to know!
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[tjg2008]

i guess you haven't read the context of 1 Cor.9: 1-14 that of an apostle who plants local church bodies and never received directly support from those who he was working with, lest he hinder the work of the gospel. Try than one! No mention of pastor receiving support ever! Apostles and prophets are foundational ministerially, Eph.2:20 not pastors, who are local, so get a job! Are you a Diotrephes kind of person?

[tjg2008]

Acts 14:23 ordained elders in every church..elders is plural, of the church is singular. No such think as THE PASTOR OF A CHURCH ANYWHARE INTHE NEW TESTAMETN .No one ever directly adressed to the churches called pastor,in any New Testament episltes. The gifts given to the church are apostle,prophet,evangelist,pas­tor,teacher. Eph.4:11 The order is 1 Cor.12:28 pastor is not even listed. You play up the title. You should play down the role of pastor, in favor of apostles. Plurality is normati

[ASeedSower234]

I posted your video on my blog, and this is a part of one response I received, would you be gracious enough to respond to this question? "What I didn't hear addressed is the roles of deacons and bishops (or elders). I would like to hear what his views on these positions clearly pointed out in I Timothy as well as other passages. Who has authority to decide error in the doctrine taught by Jesus? How is church discipline carry out? I would like to hear his view on this." end quote

[tjg2008]

@ASeedSower234 Did you write Jon Zen's and did he give you his answer?

[DavidMPetty]

It's sad if you're attending a church that has Clergy and Laity that emphasizes the separation to the point that you feel any different. It's also sad that your pastor doesn't make you feel like a valuable part of the Church.  Interesting movement that you're trying to start, but I think the big problem is that you're going to allow people to control their own theology and it'll mellow out with a very low average theological and spiritual IQ. God doesn't care how you worship, just that you do.

[tjg2008]

Jesus said that God is a spirit and we MUST worship him in spirit and in truth. The Father seeks such to worship him. The Nicolaitan deeds and doctrines spoke in Rev.2:6,15 Jesus HATES! The taking of titles, Hierarchy over others like Diotraphies this is NOT Biblical leadership. There is no such thing as the pastor of a church ANYWHERE in the New Testament! Leaders have no authority in them selves Matt.22:25-27 are not lords 1Pet.5:3 and not hirelings.

[jesusfreaks146]

No to the Clergy/Laity Divide!

WE ARE ALL PRIESTS (1 PETER 2:5, 9).

[Pfsif]

Left the man run fraud church 6 years ago and couldn't be closer to Jesus.

[graceexplosion]

@ASeedSower234 The HOLY SPIRIT is powerfully present through apostles and saints gain powerful conviction of truth. The Spirit brings to unity and maturity in agreement in sound and true doctrine. Pastors acting as doctrine police from their own perspectives -- do not maintain purity of the church in sound doctrine. (Look around and please consider.) When apostles are in the church, church discipline is carried out by power of the Spirit not human govt. ANATHEMA strikes men dead.

[graceexplosion]

@tjg2008 As an apostle, I see the extreme reaction towards me of pastors. LOL Your comment makes me laugh. And they will do all they can to stop an apostle from answering an apostolic call -- becuz it just doesn't "fit" in their mental structure of the church. Well, God is going to raise up the body. As an apostle, the highest goal is to raise up the body in apostolic anointing. And that's about to happen in the endtime move followed by rapture. Great vid.

[SupraSovereign]

Who is the sovereign? To answer that question, we must turn to the pages out of the Bretton Woods Treaty Agreements. See: Article 7. The International bankers are the sovereign. This is the present structure. If you don't like it, REPEAL the treaty! But I have to warn you. If you do that, you will be ending our relations with the United Nation, the World Bank and International Monetary Fund. What would Jesus have said about that?

See Luke 22 for the answer. It was His last command.

[SupraSovereign]

Who is the sovereign? To answer that question, we must turn to the pages out of the Bretton Woods Treaty Agreements. See: Article 7. The International bankers are the sovereign. This is the present structure. If you don't like it, REPEAL the treaty! But I have to warn you. If you do that, you will be ending our relations with the United Nation, the World Bank and International Monetary Fund. What would Jesus have said about that?

See Luke 22 for the answer. It was His last command.

[SupraSovereign]

So therefore, there must be a Top Down structure in the church as a reflection of the Top Down structure in the U.S. government, as a result of co-opting from the illuminati Luciferian elite.

So, as Lucifer sits at the top of the global governing structure, dictating down to the churches so the pastors can teach their flock benine teachings...all for the good of the few. We wouldnt want the church to revolt. So, they keep matters simple. Sing a song, pay your 10% and cover dish meals. mmmmm

[SupraSovereign]

The 501 (c)(3) is there to insure the domestic tranquility. In other words, pastors are the leaders of the flock insuring that the fullness of knowledge isnt revealed to the sheeple. If that were to happen, there would be great unrest. For example, as globalization took root in the U.S. as of 1944, by supra-national treaty and illegally ratified in 1945, had the church known about it and its consequence to the nation and world, the sheeple would have revolted.

[rovingdesertfox]

Priestcraft in any form is a person trying to help you put out the fire that is enveloping your house, while there own house is blazing and on fire as well. They have no spiritual leg up on the average person, just book learning. When will people wake up to the fact that leaders in the church take your money and are only interested in that? Some are sincere, no doubt, but I wouldn't trust ANY of them. They know nothing you don't know.

[clayton7g]

If our so called leaders tending the sheep are not preaching to the lost in the city squares, highways and byways with the flock, then thats were I draw the line. Just ministering from 4 walls is also not biblical.

[ivanasimic1]

Totaly Agree!!