Intro to Permaculture 2 - The Current State of Agriculture

This video is a part of Midwest Permaculture's Free Internet Webinar Series. It is one of eighteen segments from the first webinar of the Foundations of Permaculture Webinar Series. This is how we begin our Permaculture Design Certification (PDC) Courses and our 4-Day Suburban/Urban Training Intensives.

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• peak oil
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[MidwestPermaculture]

Population is indeed an ever increasing problem but I don't think that "control" is the answer. Who will be in control? Who will let themselves be controlled? Isn't it control of nature that got us into this whole mess in the first place?

I think you've answered your own question, making each person a benefit to society is the solution. If we follow that path nature will help us take care of population all by itself.

[benskin79]

@Swansen03

I don't see how I was putting words in your mouth, but if I took the things you said and misunderstood the intent of them, well that's certainly possible. There was a comment that you left to me, which was apparently removed, so maybe that's what I was replying to. In any case, it isn't a big deal, take care.

[Swansen03]

@benskin79 you are miss understanding a lot of what i'm saying and then place words in my mouth. I never said the majority of what you claimed, but ok.  There is not enough evidence to claim the north american migrants(native americans) wiped out any species of fauna, regarding the disappearance of the mega-fauna. but, i'm not worried about a "rebuttal", you can believe what you like.

[benskin79]

@Swansen03

If you are only concerned with the "whole", and not the "parts", then how do humans get cast as the role of cancer? The details aren't supposed to be easy, and I agree that we are in a mess. Did you know that "Native Americans" were irresponsible enough to cause animal and human extinctions, for no other reason than greed? It's easy to say spiritual-sounding things, and then step away, feeling wise and enlightened, but practical solutions require structured thoughts.

[benskin79]

@Swansen03

The concept of "legacy" is no more "BS" than the concepts you propose we need, i.e. "understanding of one[']s self, via personal growth".

Legacy is not just a concept, either- it is the tangible succession of your life's efforts, invested into your offspring.

If you do not care about your legacy, then by all means, refrain from reproduction. I can tell you this, however- no amount of "personal growth" will fix the resource issues we face. For that we need tangible work.

[Swansen03]

@benskin79 no man, i'm not suggesting overt control, i am suggesting understanding of ones self, via personal growth, which society at large subverts. If you allow yourself to step into what you are, you'll come to realize some things. i don't know what sex is, or even creating life is, i don't really understand it, i understand the biology, i get life, i don't know what really creating it is. I don't care about my "legacy" or some BS some one said we are suppose to have, nor am i worried

[benskin79]

@Swansen03

Okay, so who should stop reproducing? That will mean a statistical culling, but on the human level, individuals will have to opt out of the gene pool, and evolutionary progression. They will no longer have a legacy. Who should do this? Who should be unable to continue their line? For that matter, who is reproducing at above minimum replacement rates, and who is not keeping up already? Or, is everyone reproducing the same? We cannot reduce without allowing less life, right?

[Swansen03]

@onefourdelta yeah thats one thing that seems to be really misunderstood, food forests ARE reforestation, and it greatly helps the land.

[Swansen03]

@benskin79 no killing off, just stop mindlessly having sex and creating offspring without any idea of what is actually happening or being done via this process. but, thats more involved than just that statement, i don't blame anyone for this.