Is praying to the saints Biblical?

Praying to the saints is not Biblical since there is no Biblical teaching of prayer being offered to other humans. Revelation 5 does not teach prayer is to be offered to saints in heaven. Prayer is to be offered to God alone. Anything else is idolatry.

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[dankdrokush]

AMEN! Thank you for this video, friend.

[OwayneKhoo93]

@cburton103 Yes, I know. You can say that you pray to the person representing the statue. But do you think it is right to kneel down and 'pray' to a rock? I mean, God already states that it is wrong to idolise any statue, even if it is representing jesus.

[cburton103]

@zeratul1356 I agree salvation is through Jesus's grace only. The verses you quote don't disprove that. Properly understood, those verses talk about works that God requires of us. When we have faith in God and do the works God sets out for us, God grants us his grace. This is biblical.

The problem here is that you're saying that the Deuterocanon isn't scriptural because your interpretation of it contradicts your interpretation of the NT. What about looking at the history of why it was dropped?

[cburton103]

@OwayneKhoo93 We don't pray to statues. If you actually understood Catholicism, you would never say that we do. We ask the person who the statue represents to pray for us - not the statue itself.

It's important to realize here that most Protestants basically equate prayer with worship, but this is not actually all of what prayer means in the English language. Therefore, prayer to saints is simply asking them to pray to God for us. Prayer to God is very different than this.

[zeratul1356]

@cburton103

Salvation by works:

Ecclesiasticus 3:30, Water will quench a flaming fire, and alms maketh atonement for sin.

Tobit 12:8-9, 17, It is better to give alms than to lay up gold; for alms doth deliver from death, and shall purge away all sin

The Bible makes it clear that salvation is through Jesus's grace only.Romans 4:5, Galatians 2:16 and Titus 3:5 are just a few.

[zeratul1356]

@cburton103

I could go more in depth but I will name several contradictions."2 Maccabees 12:43-45, 2.000 pieces of silver were sent to Jerusalem for a sin-offering...Whereupon he made reconciliation for the dead, that they might be delivered from sin".Purgatory is by no means Biblical and is a tool used by the Catholic Church

[OwayneKhoo93]

@cburton103 God did not forbid us to make statues, yes. But he did not permit us to idolise them. Idolising does not primarily mean praying to other gods, since being a christian means you BELIVE in one God only. So why would God forbid us to worship other gods when you dont belive in others? Idolatry here means praying to a statue, whether or not it is of a false god, or jesus himself. For it is clearly stated no imagine in whatsoever, and in HEAVEN too.

[cburton103]

@OwayneKhoo93 God is commanding us not to commit idolatry (worship of something other than God). He is clearly not telling us not to make statues, because there are many time when God commands his people to make statues such as cherubim (Exodus 25) and golden serpents (Numbers 21:8). Both of these examples are after the ten commandments were delivered to the people by Moses. Was God mistaken?

[cburton103]

@zeratul1356 Let's just look at one of the things you say is a corruption of Christianity: the Apocrypha, or Deuterocanon as Catholics call it. By what Authority do you claim that it is not Scripture? Ever since the Church Councils in the late fourth century proclaimed the canon of the Bible Christians have all accepted all 73 books of the Bible until a British Protestant company removed the seven books of the Deuterocanon from their printed Bibles to decrease printing costs. Feel free to check.

[OwayneKhoo93]

@cburton103 Exodus, the ten comandments. About making images in the sea, the land, AND IN HEAVEN and bowing down to them.