East Says-West Says - The Beast System in Place?

East & West both agree that the Mark of the beast (Rev 13:16-18) encompasses a legal system, a social system, a political system, and a financial system. If that is the case, then the foundations of a system should be in place or beginning to be put into place. We are living in the last days of the last days. Those of the Western Mindset points to the Catholic Church, New Age, Secret Societies, Sects, Groups, Organizations. Those of the Eastern Mindset asks - "Who, What & Where are these systems?"

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[memama2]

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[ginnynorman]

You don't account for an after life.. The value of God would go up immensely because then everyone would be in the direct presence of God!

[ginnynorman]

Daniel's 70th week (week of years = 7 years) in Daniel 9:27. The Lord Christ confirms the great tribulation as the last half of that week in Matthew 24:15-28.

[ginnynorman]

When is the marriage supper of the lamb then? When he comes again he will be coming to rule on Earth. If we go up to the clouds at the same time, how can we have the Marriage Supper with Christ. We will be in different places...?

[freeandfun1]

And by the way, I did not make it a second and third coming. As I said, when the trumpet blows at the rapture, we go to meet Him. He does not come to earth so that is not a second coming. He comes at the end of the times of tribulation and that is the second coming and that is when He establishes His Kingdom on earth for 1000 years for the tribulation saints.

[klegster]

Now you just made it a second and third coming. The Bible says there is a second coming, and it never says we are 'raptured' out of here. Where in the Bible does it say anything about a 7 year tribulation? There is no mention of it all, it is a made up story just to confuse people.

[freeandfun1]

actually, you're wrong. at the rapture the trumpet is blown and we are called to him. the second coming is at the end of the 7 years of tribulation.

[klegster]

where did you see a trick? I was not giving a trick answer, it is pure and simple and straight to the point.

[RNSGF]

It wasn't a trick question, but I've worked out your answer. thanks.

and I do know this,the dead in Christ will rise first then we who are living will meet Him in the clouds.

[klegster]

there is no such thing as a rapture.

Christ calls us to him in the clouds, and we are his escort back to earth for him to set up his kingdom.