The Imaculate Conception of Mary: Contrary to Scripture?

2 minute apologetics by John Martignoni, president of the Bible Christian Society. www.biblechristiansociety.com

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[politicaltourist]

@ufamtobie 24Also a dispute arose among them as to which of them was considered to be greatest. 25Jesus said to them, “The kings of the Gentiles lord it over them; and those who exercise authority over them call themselves Benefactors. 26But you are not to be like that. Instead, the greatest among you should be like the youngest, and the one who rules like the one who serves.

[politicaltourist]

@ufamtobie St. Peter was the first among equals in the Orthodox Church Of Antioch and has nothing to do with the Vatican Popes invented by Barbarian Franks who wished to control the Roman Empire and thought nothing of creating heresies to fit in with their project's goals. Peter was valuable in leading the Church in Antioch (where the disciples were first called Christians) and he went to evangelize the Jews. He was martyred. So were thousands of other saints. So what are you trying to prove?>

[politicaltourist]

@ufamtobie This is a tried and tested strategy of the Catholic Church; Base an argument on a lie and if the other side gets on to it just forget about what you said and use a whole different unrelated argument. I believe in the primacy of St. Peter as first among EQUALS. There are no servants and masters in the church! If we are to follow your argument then Jesus should have thought that Peter denying Christ 3 times was also a worthy action we should emulate as it was done AFTER "keys" promise!

[ufamtobie]

@politicaltourist Have you not read Matt16:19 And I will give to thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever thou shalt bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose upon earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven.

It is not the Bible but the Church that Jesus gave this authority to bind and loose anything on heaven or on earth. And the Catholic Church states Virgin Mary was born sinless and this was guided by the Holy Spirit.

[politicaltourist]

@ufamtobie Adam and Eve were created out of earth and out of a limb. The bible is clear on that. All the generations after that were created through a union of man and woman or man and angels. There is not a single scripture that talks of an immaculate conception except for the case of Jesus.

[politicaltourist]

@ufamtobie No man was born wthout sin because being born without sin would imply being born without free will. Humanity was defined as having the capability to choose right from wrong. Surely God could choose to create Mary without sin through his infinite wisdom and omnipotence but since he chose to write nothing to that extent it is blasphemous for us to invent such a concept, let alone try to convince peopleto believe in such nonsense

[politicaltourist]

@ufamtobie The common belief at the time was that the heart is where thoughts took place (i.e: the mind) and so it makes sense that the verse speaks of OTHER people's hearts. There is only a reference to Mary's Soul (Nefesh)which could also mean mind, spirit and no mention of her heart anywhere. How you arrive at your interpretation is a mystery to me. Surely Mary suffered as would any mother would suffer witnessing her child's suffering and execution and this is what is alluded to here

[ufamtobie]

Before For Jesus and Mary there were two other by the name of Adam and Eve who were Created without sin.... As all Christian know Jesus Christ is the new Adam.. Who is the new Eve? If not Mary who was born without sin.

[ufamtobie]

@politicaltourist Tell me why did Mary Have to suffer a sword in Her Immaculate Heart for us? Was not Jesus suffering on the Cross and dying enough? Of course His dying on the cross was enough. But yet God still wanted Virgin Mary to suffer a sword in Her Immaculate Heart for us, it says so in scripture. LUKE 2: 33-35 Yes, God is Omnipotent, He needs no one but yet God wanted Virgin Mary suffered a Sword for YOU! For Her Children. If you argue with this then u r not a Christian

[ufamtobie]

Luke 2: 33-35 And his father and mother were wondering at those things which were spoken concerning him. 34 And Simeon blessed them, and said to Mary his mother: Behold this child is set for the fall, and for the resurrection of many in Israel, and for a sign which shall be contradicted; 35 And thy own soul a sword shall pierce, that, out of many hearts, thoughts may be revealed........Mary Suffered a sword in Her Immaculate Heart, for Many if not all. Why did Mary even have to suffer a Sword?