Gandalf the white enhanced

The gate scene in Minas Tirith. A little enhancement for Gandalf, he seemed too weak in the movie.

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[john006a]

Your over powering him a bit. He could hella bring out a can of woop ass of all of Sauron's armies because he can't die until his task is complete, but he could only do what he is meant to do. Otherwise the big guy upstairs..or across the see would probably revoke his "Get Out Of Death Free" card and *retches* The first book isn't called "The mighty wizard" Its called "The Hobbit" and for a reason. If the wizards could destroy everyone it just wouldn't be any fun. Coming from a wizard fan.

[todorius]

That is true indeed, but you have to admit that they made Gandalf look very weak in the third movie compared to the book. It just didn't seem right to me. I mean, for example he fights against a Balrog, fights against the nazgul on weathertop, but is suddenly afraid of trolls? And when you carefully read the book, you'll notice that he does intervene seldomly with the use of powerful magic when there is the necessitiy

[Debono11]

LOL wtf... hahaha This scene was awesome cos even tho the trolls are so strong the men held their ground and put up a fight.

[todorius]

Yeah, but Gandalf was afraid of trolls, therefore I hated the scene. How can Gndalf the White be afraid of trolls?

[Debono11]

I think he was more fearful because of the mens lives he was with rather then his own.

Plus it makes the whole scene way more heroic with the gondor soldiers fighting on.

[todorius]

I just don't think that the "real" Gandalf from the books would watch soldiers of Gondor being crushed by the hundreds by trolls. He would certainly intervene by the use of magic, the same way he for example intervened with the use of magic against the balrog, or the wolves (book scene).

[RecipeCollector]

Don't think he was weak... the motherfucker united the forces of good and engineered the fall of Mordor... without using shitloads of magic.

Win? I think so.

[alexmeh]

Hmph, even this doesn't do the guy justice.

[Malocosa]

I always thought Peter Jackson should have introduced a Gondorian captain or lieutenant character in place of Faramir being injured. Gandalf's power was his ability to inspire the hearts of Men and you'd think there would be at least one or two Gondorian Captains that could step up during the darkest hour of Minas Tirith's existence. It also didn't help when PJ had the WitchKing destroy Gandalf's staff.

[kellorkleft02]

Lens flare effects? What is this, Star Trek?

[The4Experience]

Hi,

no, actually I just needed some line or phrase which he uses in the movies where there is no background noise. There was basically only the Moria scene where this was the case, as in all other scenes there is huge noise when he uses a spell :)

[BlueDwarf21]

0:20 is Gandalf trying to open the gate like he was trying to open Moria gate?

[Hermoor]

@LasseLiten1337 Of course I meant if they could use their full potential which they weren't allowed to do...

[LasseLiten1337]

@Hermoor in their complete forms Curumo and Olórin, yes, but not as Gandalf and Saruman. When you wrote that Gandalf and Saruman would win against Sauron, I kind of thought that you meant the two of them going right into Mordor in their human forms and killing Sauron, and that would have been very unlikely.

[Hermoor]

@LasseLiten1337 Well now we are talking only gandalf saruman vs Sauron. Don't involve all the races and allies too. Fact is Sauron would most likely be defeated by two istari...in their complete forms.

[LasseLiten1337]

You can't think like that, because Sauron had several Balrogs (who also were maiar) to use, but he wasn't as powerful as Morgoth and therefore not able to control them. And it was kind of the same thing with the istari, Alatar and Pallando just disappeared, Radagast ignored his quest and Saruman betrayed Valinor. If Gandalf should be able to use the other istari against Sauron, Sauron should be able to use the balrogs he actually was lieutenant of (second only to Morgoth) against the istari.

[LasseLiten1337]

@Hermoor Maybe Tom Bombadil doesn't have to be mighty? Maybe Tom Bombadil is just Tom Bombadil? Plus, even if he is nature, nature could not be more powerful than its creators, the ainur (they created the universe, Eä, which must mean they also created the nature). And Morgoth is the most powerful ainu.

[LasseLiten1337]

@Hermoor Or maybe, Tom doesn't have to be a uber-mighty? Maybe Tom Bombadil is just Tom Bombadill? Let me quote The Silmarillion;

"To Melkor among the Ainur had been given the greatest gifts of power and knowledge, and he had a share in all the gifts of his brethren"

That means Morgoth was not only the most powerful ainu, but he also shared all of his siblings powers, thus making him the most powerful god except Ilúvatar. And you can't be more powerful than a god if you're not a divine being.