Heidegger life and Philosophy 3 of 6

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[zarakhast]

They are disappointing indeed. The only way to understand Heidegger is to go away and read his thought in solitude. The truths of philosophy are not arrived at by a committee decision. This documentary is just shameless propaganda, argued from a particular point of view with a particular end in mind. It's just more of that tired old, all too common practice : trying to win over "hearts and minds". You will never find a philosophical truth by listening to others.

[zarakhast]

@stuffupthecracks The "end" of philosophy : "end" has multiple senses here. "Overcoming" (as in the "overcoming of metaphysics") also does not mean what most people think it does. But yes, philosophy after Nietzsche is "ended" in a terminal sense. Why ? Because it has arrived at its final and insuperable conclusion : the thought of eternal return. But it has still not arrived at the truth, not because the content of the thought "eternal return" is "incorrect" but because correctness is UNTRUE.

[zarakhast]

@Contextcatc The ultimate and only being-towards is the being-towards-death (since this is inevitable). This (death) is what love must always fight against, what it always finds itself in conflict with. How can one love what one is bound (by necessity) to lose ? Love, it seems, is the loser already. In fact it seems pointless, even something invented. What is the point in loving anything, whether it be a person or an abstraction or a deity or oneself or whatever, if love has to be annihilated ?

[Contextcatcher]

@zarakhast "In setting forth everyday being-towards-death, we must take our orientation from those structures of everydayness at which we have earlier arrived. In Being-towards-death, Dasein comports itself towards itself as a distinctive potentiality-for-Being. But the Self of everydayness is the “they. The “they’ is constituted by the way things have been publicly interpreted, which expresses itself in idle talk". (Being and Time part 51) . Meta-Physical-Being-Is-Ethical­-Towards-Meaningless...

[TheDavid2222]

@zarakhast okay sounds good, thanks!

[zarakhast]

@TheDavid2222 Plato's philosophy is forever sacred. What I don't like about Plato's statements in The Republic (about the rulers, the auxiliaries and the rest) is that it has provided rulers ever since then with an authoritative justification to LIE to people ("the rulers alone have the right to lie"). This would be all very well if the rulers themselves were honest and benevolent people but usually nowadays they are not. I'll leave the question of music alone until I've really thought about it.

[TheDavid2222]

@zarakhast I am also very argumentattive on Youtube. I once argued with a girl on youtube that Mozart had more value than Britney Spears. I gave her a very good argument to counter but all she did was get mad at me. It was really just an experiment to see if it was possible to change a simpletons mind. I was very dissapointed. I would recommend not wasting energy on these people because they are not open to inquiry. I buy into Plato's theory of 3 kinds of people.

[zarakhast]

@TheDavid2222 I agree. Apologies. There are, however, some wums who have by now got it down to a fine art. I LOVE taking them on, infantile though that may be of me. Unfortunately I was just paranoid in your case. If I think of any worthwhile thoughts in relation to your question about aesthetic relativism I'll post them.

[TheDavid2222]

@zarakhast I do not give much attention to spelling when I comment on a youtube page. You should consider not taking such trivial things so seriously.

[zarakhast]

@TheDavid2222 Thinly veiled mockery. You misspelled "dissapointing" as well. A typically juvenile attempt. I thought wumming was going out of fashion ? Apparently not.

You read the original thinker rather than any books "about" them - with the odd exception - because otherwise you place yourself in the hands of someone else's interpretation. Human beings are notorious for distorting the truth to suit their own ends - especially when it comes to interpreting philosophy.

[TheDavid2222]

I found their Nietszche documentary to be dissapointing as well. After reading much of Nietszche's work the documentary didn't serve him justice. I recommend to everyone that you actually read the works of the philosophers and try not to get "the gist" through a documentary. Trust me, it's worth it.