Bach - Harpsichord Concerto No.1 in D Minor BWV 1052 - 3/3

III. ALLEGRO

Trevor Pinnock

The English Concert

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[bruno280678]

better than sex



[excalibutterycake]

@colourfulwithaU Bach did many things that are considered forbidden in counterpoint nowadays. We can find parallel fifths occasionally in his music but it is very well hidden, the work of a genius. The same with an augmented interval. It is forbidden in what we write, but when bach writes it, he can use it to his advantage, giving an angular sound to a melody, or providing a dissonance that beautifully resolves (like Iaug - IV progression)

[twooffour]

@Lukecash12

Um, I thought we were talking about "minor key", not "minor intervals"? Like, small 3rds and diminished 5ths (tritones) are minor intervals.

Yes, low pitch, especially with distortion, obfuscates harmony / makes even consonance sound much more dissonant.

A good example would be the breakdown from Iniquity's "Bullet's Breath" - sounds dark and gloomy, but once you listen close enough, it's actually Bb major chords.

[Lukecash12]

@twooffour Mainly, I considered it a fair point to distinguish between the drama of the harmonic orientation of metal, and the different tuning temperaments used by Bach.

[Lukecash12]

@twooffour Actually, the person who I quoted in that comment that you took mind of, gave me that impression. Given your shared interest in actually discussing music, I think you can empathize that tame statements made by experts can be spun into "the egotism of the intelligentsia".

As for your definition of when metal sounds dark, I think you're educated enough to agree that diminished harmonies are minor intervals, and low pitched riffs basically have obfuscated harmonic values.

[twooffour]

@excalibutterycake

... you have to.

And stuff like that by beginners can easily come off as cheesy, but that's a taste question.

It's also needed to pass the exams ;)

[twooffour]

@excalibutterycake

To call those devices "forbidden" is the wrong approach.

They're "forbidden" in specific composition (or voicing / arrangement) exercises, for the purpose of, well, exercise, or imitating the style (or main characteristics) of a certain period, or composer.

You don't need to be a "genius" in order to "get permission" - you can start subverting the rules as soon as you start the composition course, it's just you're a better craftsman if you do it because you want, not...

[twooffour]

@overlord620

It's the stereo sound.

[twooffour]

@HConstantine

... have to keep all this in mind when listening to something really good that came out of those periods.

[twooffour]

@HConstantine

"as any kind of 'popular' music produced purely to function as a commercial commodity"

Not all popular music, least of all metal, is "commercial" in the sense of pandering to the tastes of the paying masses - but the intention behind the music is ultimately irrelevant, what counts is the product.

A lot of 15-18th century music was written to worship God (with sometimes awfully pious texts), or provide entertainment for the non-democratic monarchs and rulers, but we don't..