Is Evolution Sacred? Rupert Sheldrake & Andrew Cohen

Rupert Sheldrake & Andrew Cohen in dialogue at The Window, EnlightenNext London

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[420Woltar]

@triplejable Maybe so, prolly not if your smart enuff to accept you will move unaware and just as you have infinitely before to keep you concious in a long enuff single life for you to be able to benefit from a death you can be aware of and close your perception of time in one lifetime with memories in soul of your infinite endings with you reincarnating more evolved and into another earth dimension that didnt have an asteroid hit jus repeats. I make no sense. your fault!

[JoeJacari]

Andrew should read the story "The Rooster and the Tortoise" from Malachi Martin's book HOSTAGE TO THE DEVIL.

Unfortunately, he's just repeating the same mistakes Dr. Carl did, in his evolutionary studies into higher states of consciousness.

Ultimately, the outcome is the same for Andrew as it was for Carl: psycho-spiritual entrapment. The laughter of Andrew reminds me of the mocking spirit that held Carl.

I wonder if the same demonic spirit that possessed Carl possesses Cohen?

[ltspears116]

its actually pretty simple the goal is love which is what god is so we become god and then we play =)

[theapeman10]

@voidforpurpose - you sound like with that name your connected with computers - this Rupert fellow to seems say very little - where as your laid down something that makes sense. If your AI then your know that higher order must feed on other circuits. If everything is disected it becomes understandable - but think our boby is more complex then the universe in nature we can understand and emulate in computing to provide a function NOT THE function to achieve the goal of AI. The brain is unique

[mujaku]

Andrew seems like a nice guy--I like his hair. But he does ramble on.

[MrCuntyballs2U]

Gotta love Rupert...... There is a scintillating intelligence there and a certain humility........as for Andrew?........nice suit?

[pekoe67]

this just occurred to me:

What if the celebration of consciousness (of course, by conscious beings) is a self- congratulatory exercise, fetishizing an event no more important than the formation of mould on a plate of food ?

From light and energy to matter to life to consciousness...

I must be some kind of nihilist because it seems like I want to go in the other direction.

Great post, wonderful speakers.

[voidforpurpose]

"Cephalization" (brain growth) is the trend of biological development, so the concept of consciousness expanding, as well, would accompany the development of the matrices (neuronal matter) where awareness can root.

"Unconsciousness" may be as vital for survival, at times (sleep, etc.) as awareness, because of the rhythmic nature of energy.

Relaxing from the intensity of "consciousness", in effect, may keep us from burning out..

[PegasusWhiteRose]

Actually he is saying something latent in all spiritual traditions - Vedanta, Kabbalah, Sufism etc etc - plus he is talking about ALL the Matter in the Universe becoming Conscious, not just us. We are part of it. Thus even if we wipe ourselves out, the process will continue in some other way, just as the Universe will. If you apply the the Principle of Conservation of Energy to Consciousness then you will see what he means. NB I am not agreeing with him, just trying to get what he is saying.

[triplejable]

Hmmm, so the human species is the first stepping stone of matter's consciousness? Why then would it not be self-protective? Climate change, nuclear war could destroy the plan. It's pretty guaranteed that the planet and its inhabitants will be destroyed by an asteroid hit within 60000 years. There are unanswered questions, but this seems to crazy an answer.