(Pt1) God's Sovereignty and Man's Free Will

Refuting Calvinism Lesson 2 Pt1

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[yeshuaseven]

I just wanted to point out that the passages you read were speaking about God's revealed decree. God has revealed to no man that they are to burn their sons to Baal. As for God's hidden decree, He did ordain for them to burn their sons because He permitted it. Sometimes God intervenes, and sometimes He chooses not to intervene. It depends on what He wants. God decrees what we are to do, and God decrees what will actually take place. Revealed decree and hidden decree.

[LOUISRUGG]

@yeshuaseven You stated: "He did ordain for them to burn their sons because He permitted it." One of the biggest mistakes that Reformers make is their use of the words "ordain" and "permit" interchangeably. Based on the definitions of both words, it is impossible to do both.

[LOUISRUGG]

To Optera34: There is a big difference betweeen allowing sin and ordaining or decreeing sin. Decree means to pre-arrange unalterably. For example, the Virgin Birth prophecy in Isaiah 7:14 was decreed. Nothing could have stopped it. The prophecy that Jesis would be born in Bethlehem in Micah 5:2 also falls under God's decretive will. Nothing could have prevented its occurence. When God permits sin, He knows it is going to happen but chooses not to stop it. There's the difference.

[LOUISRUGG]

To Firebrand: You began with the words: If God did not decree or permit sin, then how does it appear that God is Sovereign?" My response: you're right! God permitted the sin, but He didn't decree it. A most Holy God could never rebel against His nature by decreeing sin. But He will permit sin in order to hold the sinner accountable.

[LOUISRUGG]

to ringmaster: Ever hear of biblical hermeneutics and the basic principle that Scripture interprets Scripture and verse interprets verse? What Calvinists do is isolate verses and passages and try building an argument based on the isolated text that they have placed in a vacuum. That's what you are doing.

[LOUISRUGG]

to ringmaster: I know! This is the fifth time I've explained it to you and you just don't get it!

[edwardpf123]

And as Louis explains, no doctrine is based on a single verse. An Open Theist could use that verse to defend his view, but once Ps.139 is looked at, the verse has to be seen in its correct context of God not WANTING those sacrifices (see Lev.19)

All false theology ignores the correct hermeneutics of comparing scripture with scripture and not relying on any single verse for a major doctrine (1Cor.2:13, 2Pe.1:20)

[edwardpf123]

If you read the passage, it is very clear. Lou uses the entire sentence which shows that God did not Decree the Jews to murder their babies since it was against His WILL.

Now, that verse is very clear that God did not command the Jews to do what they were doing, so the Jews were doing something AGAINST God's directive will.

No, a straight reading doesn't mean God didn't know what was going on, it means that God did not WANT to happen that was happening.

So, it wasn't God's will.

[polopowers1]

Who Louis created the tree of the knowledge of good and evil? The answer is God.God created by knowledge (an attribute) not an innate virtue,so god is not evil but having the knowledge presented it. Man ate the knowledge of good and evil,but being powerless to hold these virtues perfectly he sins.God created what He knew would bring greater Virtue than law and morality to man in the person of Christ through redemption.Only God can have knowledge of sin and be free of it in Virtue of who He is.

[humanumgenus]

We do not have a religious problem and we will not lead you to a religion! We know God personally, and with him we have a continuing relationship, with those faculty who are killed with the first sin, because the Holy Spirit has raised them for us. With these choices, we could see in your future you just dragged to hell by demons while they laugh at you!

Sorry if I still love you and we take loving care of you. Blessings

[Optera34]

The question I have is if God know all and sees all and if he controls all things then he knows sin will happen and if he doesnt stop it then he allows it so he ordane or decree's to allow sin A to happen since he could in theory stop it he so chose to.

[Nakdimon316]

Hey Lou, As we have already discussed in the room on Paltalk, the translations of the passages where it says "nor did it come to MY MIND" actually say in Hebrew "nor did it come upon MY HEART". (Hebr. lo altah AL LIBI) Meaning it was NOT Gods pleasure AT ALL that Israel did what it did. This truly distroys calvinisms claims. I cant believe that Calvinists believe that God takes pleasure in displeasing Himself!

[at987ta]

Did you choose to be born?