Christian Gymnastics 102 - survival of the fittest

Dealing with argument that evolution and survival of the fittest can't bring about morals

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[On1onKn1ght]

Murder is viewed as wrong in (virtually) all societies, all religions, all cultures. Now suddenly atheists can't say that murder is wrong because their judgment that murder is wrong doesn't come from a magical deity that said it wrong?

Atheists are perhaps MORE moral than theists because they don't need a stern fatherly invisible friend to support their ethical code.

[KarlNitschke]

People who argue that 'survival of the fittest' is the essence of evolutionary theory have only read the comic-book versions of the theory, or at least their understanding is limited to the comic book level. The branch of evolutionary theory that I was taught in Uni dealing with cooperative behaviour is called 'group selection'. Pretty basic stuff if you actually study the theory.

[KT45]

How am I going to justify taking away your freedom and sending you to jail when you cause pain to help you family? Physically hurting people to support your family is still evil because you are causing physical pain to others to support your own self-righteous cause.

[Zomnificent]

Think about the story of Abraham. The act of sacrificing his son is considered right, simply because God told him to. But put yourself in Abraham's situation...would you sacrifice your own child if God told you to do it? Does God commanding and act that would be evil if a man commanded it make it right?

[Zomnificent]

No, it wasn't a real harm because the concept of race is a misunderstanding of genetics. It requires science to determine what is harmful, and there is an objective reality. Anyway, you didn't answer my question because you don't have a Biblical basis for believing a husband raping his wife is wrong. I don't even think you read all of my posts.

[KT45]

Evil is on the extreme end spectrum of the moral system. Therefore it involves causing physical pain (or ending it) and doing it only for joy. If something like, money, brings you joy so you are willing to hurt others to get it (which is what I'm saying) then it is evil. My definition is fine.

[Zomnificent]

The reason rape is really wrong is because it violates the consent of the victim, it causes physical and psychological harm, and it is not ever necessary.

[Zomnificent]

In fact, why do you think rape is wrong? The Bible never spells it out, but it seems to me to mean that it's because they aren't married. This just in, it is possible for a husband to rape his wife. The Bible would have no objection to that.

[Zomnificent]

It's really you who does not have an objective morality - you merely follow the what's in the Bible. If God declared that rape is right and that all his followers should rape tomorrow, would you go out and rape? What standard of goodness does God appeal to to choose what is right and wrong? It's just his own whims.

[Zomnificent]

Also, the atmosphere of anti-Semitism at the time of the Holocaust would not have been present if it weren't for centuries of Christian anti-Semitism before it. Hitler was carrying on that legacy on a greater scale. Look up the "blood libel" myth. Christians had been hating Jews long before Hitler came around.