Ron Paul: There May Even be an Anarchist Here or Two?!

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Ron Paul: There May Even be an Anarchist Here or Two?!

Part of a speech at USC

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[rise54321]

Berzerkerevl,you don't know alot about the anarchist philosophies or you wouldn't make such a haphazard statement. Of course some anarchists don't vote, others though do not reject voting as a potential tool in terms of aquiring justice. There are complexities within anarchism just as their are within other systems. Go beyond the public fear label "Anarchist" and investigate for yourself the true viewpoints. You might be surprised.

[EstTwo]

Long Live Anarchy!

[MrVictorianXXX]

@wbhyatt Are you sure you know what you are talking about? Anarcho capitalism is the free market and is consumerism without coercion and major corporations. Anarchists have not written it off.

[TheDeadAreGrateful]

@wbhyatt

agreed. Us non ancap anarchists believe that there is coercion and hierarchy implicit within any economy. Anticapitalism is crucial to a free society, in most anarchist's views.

However, I hate the squabbling that takes place between the black/yellow flaggers and the rest of us. I think we should step back and treat each other's approaches with respect, because ultimately, we're taking two approaches to the same goal! Most ancaps wouldn't force me to use their economy anyway!

[KyleSkullz]

Capitalism is the fullest expression of Anarchism and Anarchism is the fullest expression of capitalism.

[wbhyatt]

Anarcho-capitalism has been written off by the Anarchist movement. Anarchists and AnCaps can't really coexist haha

[SiouxSyndicate]

Im here Ron! Viv(A)

[walkthejosh1]

It seems quite clear to me that any sort of system that is meaningfully capitalist cannot exist without a state apparatus (public or private) to defend the rights to property that is not being occupied and used, and therefore wage labor. Also, if you say you support a system that allows everyone to "bear the fruits of their labor," you're not a capitalist. Wage labor implies that you pay a "tribute" (profit) to capital prior to receiving your wage. Weird to find that you're a socialist isn't it?

[walkthejosh1]

So-called "anarcho-capitalists" seem to miss this nuance in almost every discussion I see. The traditional anarchist critique of capitalism has nothing to do with the free market (though some wish to abolish markets all together); it has way more to do with the exploitative nature of wage labor and its direct cause: absolute property rights (apart from occupation and use). These things are directly dependent on massive state intervention for meaningful enforcement.

[walkthejosh1]

It seems that a lot of capitalists here don't know the definition of 'capitalism.' Many seem content simply say capitalism = free market, but that's a gross misunderstanding of capitalism. Any meaningful definition of the term has to include free markets, private ownership, and wage labor; without those three you don't have capitalism. If you create some item in your basement and sell them on a free market that doesn't make you a capitalist; you'd believe in something like 'artisanism."

[cmwerner100]

@ProprietorOfSelf Anarcho-capitalism is not anarchism.

[icopaseticMHF]

I've never heard Ron Paul call himself a leader. He's not as libertarian as some but, imagine 4 years without anyone being killed in a federal drug raid, or being forced to pay for constant war. 4 years of congress unable to overcome a veto on all new spending. 4 years of tv time for a president promoting self reliance instead of class warfare or xenophobia. I registered as a Republican a couple weeks ago because this may be as close as freedom gets in my lifetime.