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Alternative to the Bicameral mind of Julian Jaynes

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Uploaded by on Jul 16, 2008

As already discussed, the discovery of good quality mirrors created a 'self' for humans. This also simultaneously created a focus for consciousness and its expressive manifestations- reading wrtiting metaphor and geometry.
Before this Julian Jaynes had described the mind as bicameral meaning its two halves had specific manifestations.
However with the view that the mirror created the unitary self it is apparent that prior to this, the Amygdala conferred emotive connections to many disparate concepts.
Thus the connectivity of elements within the world were not clear. Elements of the world appeared weakly connected and lacked the lacked structured relationships which would later lead to metaphorical inference.
In other words the 'Qualia' of pre-mirror consciousness were not the same as we understand them today.
Consciousness was of a different nature.
The 'self', soul or spirit was seen as divided between distinct worlds. Truth might be derived from conflict or unison between various aspects of 'self'.
The interaction of such elements were perhaps associated with astronomical phenomena. These providing an imposed structure upon the universe and various elements of 'self' or soul at a time before mirrors when there was no unitary self or introspective consciousness.
There were no mind generated models or concepts which could be superposed upon incoming sensory data. The structure of this data was only determined by comparison with the considered relative movement of the planets. However this type of consciousness changed when mirrors produced the 'self' .
The absolute reference frame of astromical data as mapped in the forebrain was then weighted against the fluid inertia of the self.
Hence the new type of consciousness gave a fluid interpretation of fixed data.
The premirror self felt more like a dream -lacking focus or attachment. Similar to the idea of Hume.
Whereas with the advent of the self, consciousness gained focus through centered metaphorical connectedness more akin to The idea of Kant.

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  • you take it for grnted that you see your 'self' in a mirror.

    There is a condition whereby people indeed do not recognize them'self' in a mirror.

    In fact - to the contrary - they think the image in the mirror is an impostor.

    Watch the videos of youtube of monkeys given small mirrors. Why do you think they are shocked by what they see?

    Do you think that this is the first time they have ever seen them'self'.?

    I think so.

    Yet they have had thousands of years to recognize them'self in water.

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  • Certainly when "reflecting" on your idea, you have thought of the fact that before mirrors were invented, people could see themselves and others in a liquid like a pool of water after the rain?

    Knowing then that your theory is nonsense of course, you would have also thought of the fact that, ancient people with a bicameral mind, were not aware of their reflection?

    Indicating again that your theory could never work, but the bicameral mind theory is indeed plausible?

    So a mirror is just a tool

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