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And we're talking about people who were also tangentially involved in the Kennedy assassination which would take place ten, fifteen years after these events. I mean, it's stunning. I mean, you ask yourself: What is the connection? How could this possibly be?

BR: Yes. What did you think of Picknett and Prince's book, The Stargate Conspiracy, that you must have read as part of your research?

PL: I did read The Stargate Conspiracy and I wanted to shout at Picknett and Prince: Just go a little bit further! Go just a little bit more and you will see the connections right back to the Kennedy assassination.

I was thrilled that they were writing about these events, about "The Nine" also. They were writing about Puharich. They had mentioned him. They had mentioned this group, but they had not drawn the connection. They had not connected the dot between, for instance, Arthur Young, who was a prominent member of "The Nine", a man who invented the Bell Helicopter, which I had mentioned just a little while ago as having been involved with Nazi scientists...

BR: When you talk about "The Nine", are you talking about a human group, or an off-world group? Or is this an allusion to two groups of nine?

PL: Well, when I talk about "The Nine", I'm focusing first on the human group because those are the names of the people that we know. But of course they were considered to be the Earthly representatives of this spiritual or extraterrestrial group that called themselves "The Nine."

BR: OK. What is that Earthly group of nine?

PL: Well, "The Nine" included families -- for instance, Arthur Young and his wife, Ruth Forbes Paine Young, who is a relative of John Kerry's, as a matter of fact -- John Forbes Kerry. So we have Arthur Young and his wife, Ruth Forbes Paine Young.

We have a DuPont, we have an Astor, all as part of this group as well as Puharich. So the Astor family was there -- a very wealthy American and British family, the Astors. Of course everyone knows the Astors and the Waldorf Astoria, etcetera, etcetera. John Jacob Astor was on the Titanic. So we have the Astor family.

We have the DuPonts, of course -- extremely powerful, wealthy, influential American family. And we have the Forbes -- as in Forbes Magazine, Steve Forbes, and all of that. That family was represented.

Her name was Ruth Forbes Paine. Paine was one of the original signers of the Declaration of Independence. She is a direct descent along that line by marriage. And Arthur Young himself, the inventor of the Bell Helicopter.

So you have a family grouping here of some of the most aristocratic family names in America. If we had royalty, they would DuPonts and Astors, Forbes, and Paines.

BR: Did they call themselves "The Nine"? Or is this your term for them? I mean, did they have an agenda or some kind of thesis or reason for being together and were recognized as a group of that size?

PL: Well, they called themselves "The Nine" in this fashion: They held a séance. Puharich was conducting a séance. He had a medium from India, a Dr. Vinod, and Vinod was in telepathic communication with a group of beings that was somehow in space, hovering over the Earth, and there were nine of them.

And they told the group of nine individuals: We are nine, and you are nine, therefore you are the Brahmins who are going to bring a new wave of enlightenment, or a new wave of evolution to the planet. We're going to use you as our vehicle for causing this kind of spiritual evolution, this jumpstarting of evolution, if you

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