Police K9 Academy

CT State Police K9 Academy video By Nino G.

Category:

Pets & Animals

Tags:

• K9
• dog
• police
• training

[musicofnote1]

@musicofnote1 - but back to the question: Since methods exist that do not rely on pain - and a choke collars works because it HURTS - , fear - fear of that choke collar hurting again - intimidation, why would anyone choose to use pain, fear and/or intimidation instead?

I'm sure you know Michael Ellis. He's often said, that he only uses aversives when his own training was done poorly and he has to correct the product of his own training. At least he's honest.

[musicofnote1]

@Berserkism - I don't know about you, but I'm neither a dog nor a wolf. Dogs are not wolves. And dogs know that we are not dogs. Has been scientifically established. so any dog-like or wolf-like correction on a dog will work, but not because they understand that as coming from some kind of 2-legged wolf or dog. It will work because of the laws of Learning Theory according to Watson, Thorndike, Skinner and Co. Tthat means positive punishment works based upon avoidance. Google is your friend.

[musicofnote1]

@Berserkism - "Trained Disobedience" was your mantra." But you discounted that as a possibility. SO now you're anting it both ways. You train a dog to obey, but can't quarantee any more than I can with positively trained dog, that the dog will "out" immediately every time. So we come full circle back to the question you won't answer. When positive methods reach the same or even better results (see my video) why choose pain, fear and intimidation to train? Maybe because you don't KNOW how to?

[musicofnote1]

@Berserkism - "There is always the possibility that a dog won't obey." No, not according to you and what you write. If a dog doesn't obey, the dog is not trained. A dog that is trained, obeys. You use a choke collar to train the dog to obey, because peoples' lives are dependent upon it. Your statement. If the dog isn't reliable, a choke collar won't fix that. that's why Schlegel was called to Africa to retrain their dogs - unreliable, mostly in the out and they HAD been trained with choke.

[Berserkism]

@musicofnote1 Firstly you aren't qualified to state that a dog should or should not be in service. There is always the possibility that a dog won't obey. YES the idea is that a command is give and the dog obeys but yourself have argued against this. "Trained Disobedience" was your mantra. No Training is ever finished, it is always ongoing, the fact you haven't yet grasped this most basic of concepts shows your iniquities as a "Trainer". Repetition to ensure consistent behavior.

[Berserkism]

@musicofnote1 euorope0wnz stated that.

[Berserkism]

@musicofnote1 That was not a statement for me, please get your facts right. No person or dog is perfect, hence why Olympic Athletes can't score perfect(very rare) best Trained Soldiers are killed, Doctors and Lawyers make mistakes, Canine perform aberrant actions contrary to training form time to time. What we make them do isn't normal for the dog. What you do isn't normal for the dog. Sometimes they will do something out the ordinary. Let training slip, performance will suffer.

[Berserkism]

@musicofnote1 You would be at an advantage if you could comprehend, 'jerk is a noun, not a verb". You do know the difference between a Noun and a Verb. Try reading it again.

[Berserkism]

@musicofnote1 After this I am not entering into any more correspondence with you. I pointed you in the right direction, to a man who could make you see what you are doing is wrong. I have told you of all the success over hundreds of years. You can see the dogs aren't hurt or anything else you describe. Your Arrogance disgusts me as does your view of the dogs, men and women who lay down their lives for you, such an ingrate. I told you way at the start, you had your answer, They Work

[Berserkism]

@musicofnote1 Nice how you insult the very people who keep you and your precious family so safe. Way to go Hero. It isn't a Moral or Ethical question, none of the dogs are injured,sad,afraid etc. Stop making stuff up. The dogs are happy, productive stars of the canine working world, you dare to compare yourself to all these success stories, far more than your methods. The Arrogance. You took a course(bad one)and so desperately want to been seen as relevant, but you aren't. Too bad.