N.T. Wright on Women in Ministry 5

Bishop Wright advocates for the full participation of women in the life of the Church. Citing the examples of Junia as an apostle and Phoebe as a deacon in Romans 16, and the commissioning of Mary Magdelene as the first person to announce the resurrection of Jesus in John 20, he believes that the biblical evidence supporting women in leadership is overwhelming. Part of an interview by Dr. Tod Bolsinger, Senior Pastor of San Clemente Presbyterian Church, at the Pastors Retreat of the Los Ranchos Presbytery held at the Serra Retreat Center in Malibu, CA. Bishop N.T. Wright is the Bishop of Durham in the Church of England.

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[DDAambassador]

One thing that is interesting when it comes to all religions is the hatred of women. I wonder why the devil has worked so hard to steal their freedom and extinguish their voice. Jesus demonstrated how to walk as a man and it wasn't by following "man's" rules or by dominating others. He taught that a real man is to be a servant.

[DeJay17Revolution]

well if we men werent so stupid sometimes then they wouldnt have a problem with the scriptures treat women with respect and be men who love there wives

[Pilgrim1411]

He does not advocate full participation. He only allows for minor (not teaching) positions.

[shanemason789]

@rrusco interesting

[rrusco]

@Jugglable Women were authority figures in Jesus' day. The term 'widows' and 'mothers' were authority titles. Here are some women of authority: Anna (Luke 2), Phoebe, Junia, Euodia, Syntyche, etc

[rrusco]

@turtle4aires Please see my post on this passage's actual context - the women of Ephesus who worshiped Artemis (they put Eve before Adam) ....

[rrusco]

@oboylebeast This is completely contextual to the women in Ephesus that worshiped Artemis - a goddess. They put Eve before Adam. Verse 15 was originally quoted by Caesar Augustus (google it). This pertained to the Artemis (woman of fertility) myth.

[rrusco]

@TheProfessorEnglish 1 Tim 2 (not by Paul) is specifically talking about the women of Ephesus that worshiped Artemis. They taught that Eve came before Adam. This is the context. The writer of Timothy directly quotes Caesar Augustus - "women shall be saved through child-bearing." geared towards the Artemis myth. It's not known by Paul to quote Roman Emperors but Galatians 3:28 fits the pattern of Paul - ... no male or female; for you are all one person in Christ Jesus.

[rrusco]

@vint7107 This is the 4th century. Long after Paul's writings. Who says they were correct?

[rrusco]

@vint7107 How many names in the NT are 'shortened' forms of other names? If you can site other names, you may have a point. Anyway, don't forget Philippians 4:2 - Euodia and Syntyche. These were authority that worked closely with Paul and Clement. The bottom line is that both men and women are equal and created in God's image so what's the big deal?

[rrusco]

@vint7107 Paul isn't talking about women at all in these chapters. Elaine Pagels has a analysis on Paul. Proof of what Paul is really talking about is in chapter 1 - true and false wisdom.The entire book is based on uniting 2 sects: pneumatic and psychics. Earthly wisdom (Sophia) - Jewish texts associate this with WOMEN. (Ex- Luke 11:33,49). The chapters before and after 11 are about communion. Paul stays on topic with the gender analogy.veil - alluding to the veil of Moses (removed by Christ)

[TheFunkyTheist]

As one who is not quick to support women's ordination, I must say that there is nothing in scripture which forbids it. The prime argument people use is that Christ, the example of the priest, is not a women, and thus women cannot be ordained as priests (or bishops). But that argument fails terribly because Christ is the example to everyone, not just men. Should women then not seek to be like Christ? Nay, of course they SHOULD seek to be like Christ.

Women's ordination is not forbidden by God.