Is God The Author of Sin? 1/5 - Calvinism Refuted! Jesse Morrell

Jesse Morrell refutes the blasphemous charge that God is the author of sin, made by Calvinism, Lutheranism, Paganism, and Islam.

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[ambassadorinchainz]

Romans 3 describing the estate of sin says, "No one understands God, no one seeks God. All have turned aside together they have become worthless. No one does good not even one...For by works of the law no human being will be justified in his sight, since through the law comes knowledge of sin." This is the estate of man after the fall.Most of the reformed community sees a difference between these two different estates. The free will as you speak of it no longer exists apart from Christ.

[bibletheology]

@ambassador Actually the idea that Adam's sin somehow corrupted human nature so that free will was lost is a concept found in the writings of Augustine but is never explicitly stated anywhere in the Scriptures. It is taken as a theological assumption or a presupposition but is unfounded. In fact, after the fall God spoke to the son of Adam Cain as one who had a free choice between good and evil. And it was after the fall and before Christ that God said, "choose life" and who they will serve

[ReformedMediadotNet]

and while they were capable of obedience Jessie, God's plan was to glorify Himself in sending His Son to be the Savior of men and that was determined before the foundation of the world.

[bibletheology]

@ReformedMediadotNet Actually the Bible says that Christ was ordained before the foundation of the world, but that He was slain from the foundation of the world. God prepared for the fall before it happened, but it was not determined with certainty that Christ would die until it became necessary.

[fractalfires1]

@jamaicanification My humblest apologies if I mistook your position. Still, Augustine did not believe in free will. Peace.

[jamaicanification]

@fractalfires1 am, bro. First of im not a Calvinist just to let you know. I lean more to the Arminian side. Second, im saying Calvin took Augustine's view and reinterpreted it. Thats all

[ambassadorinchainz]

Also, please don't assume that I do not believe in the authority of Scripture because I do. It is why I hold to the doctrine of God's sovereignty in salvation. Now what is it that you believe concerning salvation? I am curious. Are you a Weslyan? A classical Arminian? A modern mix that focuses on one attribute of God? (love)

[ambassadorinchainz]

oh man ok that kind of argumentation is not helpful. Merely calling something gnostic or similar to Marcionism doesn't engage the ideas. Also, yes Luther was not a perfect man or a perfect theologian (ex: he had a tendency to allegorize Christ into the Old Test.). However he had very good things to say and was a warrior for the Gospel(he had a death sentence hanging over him for much of his life). Again, engage the ideas and the text rather than declaring your position true.

[fractalfires1]

@ambassadorinchainz "you have not said anything about Scripture to argue with me"

Yes I did. We are discussing interpretation of Scripture and I clearly corrected you that Calvinism is a lie. Then you pushed Luther. He ripped James out of his Bible. No Calvinist accepts the authority of Scripture and you wish to send me on a fool's errand of giving you pearls to trample. Your view of Romans 3 John 3 and Ephesians 2 was held by early gnostics. Nothing new there Marcion.

[ambassadorinchainz]

haha so you have not said anything about Scripture to argue with me...soooo. Explain what it means to be an enemy of wrath and dead in sin in Ephesians 2. Explain what Romans 3 is about when he says that no one seeks God not even one. Why does Jesus say in John 3 that no one sees the Kingdom much less enters it unless he is born from above (birth is quite passive isn't it). However once a man is regenerate he MUST repent and believe which he can and will do according to his new heart of flesh.

[fractalfires1]

@jamaicanification Augustine used the phrase 'free will' but that is just word games. He clearly denied the freedom of the will as a good unrepentant Manichean would. Should I risk you claiming I am misunderstanding him if I provide clear explicit citations from Augustine? It is convenient for you I know. It beats having to change YOUR own views though doesn't it.

[fractalfires1]

@ambassadorinchainz "cause you to shoot hamburgers from your ears?"

Oh you are so CLEVER! Your 'freedom' is nothing more than the same freedom a rock has when someone drops it...it is 'free' to do what it is able until the limitations of the ground prevent it. Freedom to DO is not freedom of the will.

Nice strawman. The faculty of the will is not the obstacle to obedience, but the person wills what is wrong. Your Calvinist interpretation is not = to the Bible, k.