Jim Jeffries-Gus Ruhlin #2 - Nov 15 1901 - Naimark

Champion Jim Jeffries and Gus Ruhlin fight for the Heavyweight Championship in San Francisco, California (Mike Naimark version)

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[bandit7498]

@jhs1958 . I remember talking with you in the past and how you turned out to be a real prick. Anyway, the banks fight was not Ali in his prime, he was still very young. The Cooper fight, he didn't even train for and joked with him because he didn't take him serious. After winning the title he beat Cooper in a rematch like child's play. You act as if Dempsey never had an off night. By all rights Dempsey should have beaten Tunney. But he was inactive. Hmm. Sounds like Ali

[jhs1958]

@bandit7498 What? Others should have beaten him? Then, how is he the greatest? I never said he wasn't great. I just said he wasn't the greatest - and is overrated. By the way, Sonny Banks and Henry Cooper put him down when he was young and "at his peak" - so how was he untouchable? Jurgen Blin got in on him all night long. Had that been Dempsey, Ali would have been flat.

[bandit7498]

@jhs1958 The only fighter Ali lost to that he SHOULDN'T have was Spinks. Many think Ali lost that fight on purpose so he could win the title back a 3rd time. Even if he didn't he was WAYYY past his prime and under prepared. Can't really argue that the other fighters to beat him had a legitimate chance from the start, especially in the times of his career he was beaten. In his prime he was untouchable. If you don't think he was great (even if not the greatest) you just don't know boxing.

[jhs1958]

andrewr62 - Klitschko certainly has some power ! Both Klitschkos ! But, Fitzsimmons did too. Phenomenal power, especially for his size. However, the Klitschkos move slowly whereas Fit was quick and slippery. Jeffries would get inside and bash the big boys whereas Fitz was hard to corner or get close to.

[huntershowreel]

@jhs1958 - of course not! That would be a terrible contradiction given what I just wrote. I don't believe anyone can hold Ali's form against him when he was visibly in decline, anymore than any sensible person can hold Jeffries loss to Johnson against him, given he was coming off a 5 year retirement. People on YouTube should judge boxers on their peak, that's all.

[jhs1958]

romienomie - so did Jeffries, Dempsey, Louis, Marciano, etc. - best Ali 64-67 and best Jeffries 99-05 - but still believe Ali to be overrated.

[jhs1958]

huntershowreel - Do you hold Jeffries' loss to Johnson against him ? - best Ali 64-67 and best Jeffries 99-05 - but still believe Ali to be overrated.

[jhs1958]

romienomie - Ali got beat by some patsies too. The true greats would not.

[jhs1958]

truthhitmanisback - "Black Jack" - one of the ring's MOST overrated fighters !

[jhs1958]

andrewr62 - that door swings both ways - Klitschko never met Jeffries - an exception ! Klitschko ends up on his back. Correction - Klitschkos end up on their backs.