Greg Koukl - Did Jesus Condemn Homosexuality? Part 2 of 2

Part 2 of 2 - Greg Koukl of Stand to Reason answers the question, "Did Jeus condemn homosexuality?". Recorded at STR's weekly radio broadcast. For more information visit http://www.str.org.

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[OneEyedJack1970]

@MrAnagern You do realize that Jesus' description of hell is likely metaphorical, right? The imagery He was using was that of the local garbage dump. I think it would actually be worse than anyone can imagine.

[MrAnagern]

@OneEyedJack1970 Pardon, I meant Old Testament.

Even as terrible as the Old Testament was though, it still did not condemn people into everlasting fire. Only until Jesus comes into the picture is this grotesque theme introduced. This idea has been the source of fear-mongering, bullying, etc. Not exactly the humble Jesus one learns in Sunday school, wouldn't you say?

[OneEyedJack1970]

@MrAnagern I don't understand your question. What "insidious indictments commanded in the New Testament" are you talking about? Do you mean the stuff about loving God and loving your neighbor?

[MrAnagern]

@smurfboywv Yeap. Obviously.I have the absolute capacity to understand nothing.

[smurfboywv]

@MrAnagern I'm guessing you're too young to understand anything.

[MrAnagern]

@smurfboywv ... When did I even allude to not liking gay or lesbian people? Umm, and how do gays "harm" the population? Could I get some evidence for this claim? All I see right now is your Christian paradigm imposing its beliefs upon reality, not allowing reality construct your paradigm.

[MrAnagern]

@OneEyedJack1970 themselves.

[MrAnagern]

@OneEyedJack1970 How does one separate the "moral teachings" of the bible from the insidious indictments commanded from the New Testament? Christians must believe that the word of god is absolute; once people begin to cherry pick the bible, its truth is no longer absolute, but now being interpreted through the paradigm of values of the particular individual.

Furthermore, just because Israel was a theocracy doesn't mean it was kosher to enslave prisoners, rip out the unborn, claim virgins for

[OneEyedJack1970]

@MrAnagern Ancient Israel was a theocracy. We're not. We're to follow the moral teachings of the Bible, but aren't explicitly commanded to incorporate its penalties into our body of law. We can if we want to, but we don't have to, and most people throughout history haven't been in much of a position to dictate their nation's laws anyway.

Furthermore, some of the OT laws are symbolic, and only apply to Israelites or a specific subset thereof (such as Levites or members of the priesthood).

[OneEyedJack1970]

@MrAnagern Ancient Israel was a theocracy. We're not. We're to follow the moral teachings of the Bible, but aren't explicitly commanded to incorporate its penalties into our body of law. We can if we want to, but we don't have to, and most people throughout history haven't been in much of a position to dictate their nation's laws anyway.

Furthermore, some of the OT laws are symbolic, and only apply to Israelites or a specific subset thereof (such as Levites or members of the priesthood).