Distinct Evidence For God's Existence? (1/2)
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Matt handled this call so well.
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@MrFungus420 My point is that you're making a false analogy. This is orders of magnitude different from the examples you're giving. It doesn't require that you believe it or not, 'cause it's a phenomenon in consciousness that could potentially happen to anyone. If you want a kind of evidence, you should look into Dr. Strassman's book "DMT: The Spirit Molecule. He speculates that what meditation may be is the induction of endogenous DMT that produces this colossal transformation of consciousness.
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@Hanahleia What you are doing is no different than someone who believes in curses assuring somebody that they are real.
And until you can present some kind of evidence, that is where this will remain...the realm of wishful thinking and magic.
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@MrFungus420 Oh, great. So, you listened for about 3 minutes, and then you shut it off? Well, I think that's a reflection here of your intolerance. He said historical documents, not simply historical to imply actual events. I would equate a person's feeling of "magic" to Matt Dillahunty's denouncing of the so-called Christian claim of "feeling God in my heart," the kind that prompts Matt to retort, "Well, maybe you should see a doctor." This is not that, in other words, it could happen to you.
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@Hanahleia Try to pay attention to what is said.
I said that people have believed that they have experienced magic just as surely as you believe you have experienced this "cosmic consciousness".
Your belief does not mean that it is real.
As for the video, I was done at the point where he said that the Gospels are historical...patently wrong.
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@MrFungus420 I've seen this phenomenon happen to atheists who have a completely paradigm-shattering of their perspective, a kind of ontological shock, if you will. This is nothing like an account of magic, or something bias or even subtle like that. This much more profound, it is like being hit with metaphysical lightning that produces this absolutely reality-dissolving, catagory-reconstructing, mind-boggling possibility. And I feel like this is a truth that has to be told.
/watch?v=6qSCaxaUyf8
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@Hanahleia No, I didn't read a Wiki definition. It's not that obscure.
And people have believed that they have experienced magic just as surely as you believe this. That doesn't make it real.
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@MrFungus420 I don't believe you could simply read a Wiki definition of this and expect to understand it. The point is that it's an experience, and in that experience, since you obviously just tried to grasp this through Wikipedia, you should have clicked a link titled "Indra's net," because in this experience you come back with a model of consciousness that is described in the metaphor of Indra's net. I know this isn't magic mumbo-jumbo, because I've had this experience and so have many others.
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@Hanahleia No need to Google it. I know what it is. It's magical mumbo-jumbo. Every consciousness is magically connected to every other consciousness to form one, big, magical consciousness.
Pure, unadulterated, meaningless garbage.
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"What are those shooting stars? Can you explain them? Why is the sun so hot? Why are the planets so big? It boggles the mind."
Well, to be plain, it boggles YOUR mind.
fdasherv 2 months ago 13
MRG: Actually, Matt made the great point that CS Lewis (who you are using as a source if you know it or not) left out another option : Legend. There could have been some miracle worker the Jesus story is loosely based on, then the legends grew. Akin to George Washington and the Cherry Tree. WMDs, UFOs, bigfoot, Santa and religion. All the same, if you think about it.
nosuchthing8 1 month ago 4