Vijay Iyer Quartet & Rudresh Mahanthappa - Aftermath - Bridgestone Music Festival - 2008

Bridgestone Music Festival - Citibank Hall -
São Paulo - 21/junho/2008

Vijay Iyer - piano

Marcus Gilmore -bateria

Rudresh Mahanthappa - saxofone Alto

Stephan Crump - contrabaixo


Bridgestone Music Festival 2008

Projeto & Produção - LPC Projetos Culturais

Direção - Toy Lima

Gravação - LPC

Category:

Music

Tags:

• Vijay Iyer
• Rudresh Mahanthappa
• Bridgestone Music Festival
• Toy Lima
• LPC Projetos Culturais

[r3ck0rd]

@dojomania and Chick Corea also shew admiration of Vijay Iyer. He once invited Vijay Iyer and Marcus Gilmore to one of his Freedom Band concert (where Gilmore's grandfather, Roy Haynes played as the drummer). Musicians respect others' music, if you don't like them, then shut up, smart-ass.

[r3ck0rd]

@dojomania how do you describe steve gadd then?

[dojomania]

@lampshade429 sorry about that, i replied to myself ! It's very zen, to learn your craft before you can forget it all and BE your craft..I'm not a full time musician as you, so I envy you for that. It's therefore true to need training in the technical aspects to achieve that emotionality.However, emotion is obviously not easily defined so your syllogism regarding him being talented because he can emote is based on subjectivity. However, your argument is persuasive, and I'll listen to him again.

[lampshade429]

@dojomaniaI didn't make any claims about syncopation. Of course I admire the technicality of the music. It is something that I actually stuggled with, not looking beyond techincality that is, but I have recently started to look at music like this for what it is. And once I came to that place in my musical life I began enjoying music significantly more. However, in regards to your original comment one must have a certain talent level to achieve this level of emotionality. Would you agree?

[dojomania]

@dojomania interesting point you made about there being a time and place for transcription.although I enjoy the emotional aspects of music, I find it difficult to completely block out the theoretical underpinnings. As a musician,don't you find yourself admiring the technical aspects?in the past you have made comments about syncopation.It is a philosophical struggle between understanding something on the gut level and something from the technical perspective.

[lampshade429]

@dojomania I never denigrated anyone who analyzes the music. I am a percussionist and I have transcribed many solos from the masters. I appreciate the effort that goes into that act (my first took a while). I never made the contention that transcribing was an easy task. However, there is a time and a place for transcription and this is not it. If you can figure out how to transcribe the power and raw emotion that is behind his playing then go for it, otherwise appreciate it for what it is.

[dojomania]

@lampshade429 well, I respect your ability to listen to it as a whole. However, please don't denigrate those who "analyze" the notes..many of them are jazz musicians, Miles for instance went to Juilliard, Stan Getz went to Manhattan school of music, etc..a lot of musicians have made the investment of learning and practicing Jazz theory, and that includes "pulling " the solo off the record, and analyzing the notes..since you haven't done this, you don't appreciate how hard it is to actually do.

[lampshade429]

@dojomania No, I just choose to appreciate this as music and not as a bunch of notes. You could transcribe this if you wanted to. Why couldn't you harmonically and rhythmically analyze this. I never said you couldn't do that, I just said that it is not the best way to listen to music. I will concede that he is not a great quartet player, but when listening to his trio's recordings his genius is undeniable.

[dojomania]

@lampshade429 in other words, you don't know theory , or have never been to the "woodshed". that's ok, but therefore, you really can't prove that he has talent. all you can say is that you appreciate his music. Any "great" solo should be able to be transcribed,and harmonicall and rhythmically analyzed. None of this "you should appreciate it as a whole" mumbo jumbo..you're avoiding the facts.My comment might have chafed some people, but it is grounded in truth.

[lampshade429]

@dojomania I am "bashing" your original comment because it showed a remarkable close-mindedness that has no place in true music appreciation. In regards to a particular "lick" demonstrating his "greatness" you should to listen to the work as a whole to see his greatness. He makes harmonic waves that compliment Rudresh's playing quite well. To break down this music into segments of licks would be to betray the nature of the music itself.