Basic Income (part 1)

women talking about basic income for all Canadians

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[halo2pc]

The unconditional basic income is the solution.

In Germany / Europe, this topic is being discussed intense at the moment.

[93rardo]

I know the idea was tested in Nixon's time. I read that it did NOT disincentive people to work.

However, even if it would disincentive people to work, it doesn't matter when there is high unemployment.

With technological advancement we need to work less and less in order to keep things running.

[AwakenFromTheSlumber]

Thomas Paine was one of the first supportes of a Basic Income

John Kenneth Galbraith, James Tobin as well as 1200 economists tried to get a Universal Basic Income instituted in the US during the early 1960s, Milton Friedman and Richard Nixon were also supporters of a Universal Basic Income during the early 1970s and almost had the idea institued but were stopped narrowly by the Senate.

[dontblockmedk]

Money property system is ROOT problem.

1. people need food, water, energy, medicine, etc.

2. money systems require scarcity, so they will never create abundance of 1

3. sharing ALL resources and knowledge keeps small groups from controlling everyone

4. we have the resources and technology to provide EVERYTHING for the world now

5. automating the production distribution, frees up humanity to no longer be wage slaves to governments or corporations.

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[halo2pc]

To find out more about the so called UBI (Unconditional Basic Income) please search for "8 Gründe die für ein bGE sprechen."

That's a short introduction in english with german subtitles.

[93rardo]

If it were true that the health service quality would go down with universal healthcare than you have a point. However, I'm not sure that that is the case. You say that your girlfriend could have been denied healthcare, however it seems that the exact the opposite is true; that private health care would try to deny healthcare to their customers in order to safe money. Have you seen "Sicko"?

[REBEWEOJ]

I agree; it is the only way to resolve the economic nightmares caused by politcal manipulation. Usually it is blamed on the "free market".

If we had a truly free market we could afford homes, health care, food, ect. There would be no runaway inflation, no more massive depressions like what Hoover and Roosevelt gave us, ect.

Check out Austrian economics.

[REBEWEOJ]

Universal health care is dangerously unfair to both ends of the spectrum while benefitting those in the middle (who usually are the ones who can afford health care anyway).

I have a girlfriend who was beaten into being crippled with RSD. She waits 5 hrs already for morphine shots. If universal health care is imposed she could be denied treatments, wait months for MRI, and also those with universal health care are severely lacking in technological progress and innovation.

They piggyback us

[REBEWEOJ]

Well, that's easy. We have never had a truely capitalistic market. It has always been a corporate welfare society based on interventionist governmental foreign policy.

The federal reserve has been devaluing the dollar for years, printing money for years, encouraging debt for years.

In my ideal world I would live in a capitalist society but I think a basic income would be preferable as a second route to eliminate involuntary poverty immediately. Imagine that, poverty gone today.

[93rardo]

But it's not just the mortgages. The buildig up of debt has been going on for 3 decades. Especially private debt. How do you explain that?

[93rardo]

Thanks.