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[p00lman]

You see, there's this bird called a stork . . .

What point are you trying to make? I could answer you if you provided some context as to the end point you wanted to reach.

[pandyne]

If human rights do exist outside of the definition of law where do they come from? That is all I want you to tell me, with out the retarded ad populum. Im beginning to think you are functionally illiterate, because you never answer the question.

[pandyne]

If human rights supersede law then law cannot define human rights this includes international law

If H > L then L != (H + n)

If human rights are only a legal concept then there is no problem logically

L = (H + n)

But if human rights only exist as legal concept then they can be legislated away or slavery can be enacted

L = (H + n), L - H == n, now define L = (S + n)

See no more H. H might as well == 0

[p00lman]

Thanks for supporting my argument.

So what's your point?

[pandyne]

More self contradiction "The Geneva Conventions consist of four treaties and three additional protocols that set the standards in international LAW."

"Thankfully, in modern society, human rights issues supercede the law" - p00lman

[p00lman]

Wow, talk about an illogical argument.

Guess you've never heard of the Geneva Conventions.

[pandyne]

If you can show me evidence that human rights exist biologically, meaning the code of ethics that provides for appropriate human behavior that is genetic and generally universal (proof of objective morality), then you can claim human rights exist. But plurality of societies is Argumentum ad populum and is fallacious. If you cant show the evidence, then you must believe it in faith and should admit that you do so.

[pandyne]

First, I never said that laws dont exist. There are those that have presumed authority that write laws and expect other people to follow. I can see the laws written on paper and have the ability to choose whether to follow or not to follow. You posit that human rights supercede laws thus human rights exist external to law. Maybe they are written on magic paper.

[p00lman]

What the fuck are you arguing is "truth"? Are laws "true" or are they also just things a bunch of people agree on?

I have no idea what the fuck you're trying to argue here. It sounds like a lot of bullshit for the sake of bullshit. Make a point so I can respond to it.

[pandyne]

There are such things as human rights, as have been definied by a plurality of societies. You said the abstract concept of human rights exists and I just said just because a bunch of people agree something exists doesnt make it true.