Re: Yes for Marriage? wtf?

If your argument isn't strong enough to stand on its own merit - lie, trick, mislead.
OK, that might seem a little questionable from a morality point of view, but after all, if you're right, the end justifies the means, right?

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[OminousVoice]

The Romans were among the earliest cultures to assign a legal status to marriage. There have even been recorded cases of same sex marriage during that time. It wasn't until after Christianity turned up that same sex marriages were made illegal, and it wasn't until the middle ages when the church declared it a 'sacred' institution.

Religion hijacked an institution that it had no right to claim in the first place and defends its erroneous position with 1700 year old bigotry.

[Killersepp]

Yes.

If your religious believe are against homosexuality... well, don't enter a homosexual relationship, simple as that.

What other people do, however, is None. Of. Your. Fucking. Business.

[NAUIDiverJayOX]

Thanks for the information. I wasn't aware of that :(

[jms8888]

Guess you're unwilling to compromise.

[thatgaybloke]

"And getting back to that. You only care about marriage and how you and other gays feel. How about the thoughts and feelings of people who are offended by your lifestyle or find it unnatural? Don't thier feeling count for anything?"

End of conversation.

[jms8888]

Well for starters I never said I was or wasn't against you being married. You should have the right to do whatever you want, actually I could care less. My original question was about Unions if you go back and read what I said.

And getting back to that. You only care about marriage and how you and other gays feel. How about the thoughts and feelings of people who are offended by your lifestyle or find it unnatural? Don't thier feeling count for anything?

[thatgaybloke]

And if you don't care what we do in bed, then why make such a big deal out of it.

The impression that you give is that WE are making such a big deal out of marriage.

We're not. YOU are making a big deal out of marriage. If it hadn't been denied to us, we would have no reason to fight for it.

[thatgaybloke]

One of the accusations that levelled at "out" gay people time and time again is "we don't care what you do, but why do you have to ram in down our throats?"

Well, the answer to that is simple. Heterosexuals ram their sexuality down OUR throats every day of our lives. We're just being honest and open about who we are, a simple right that any heterosexual person in this society takes for granted.

[thatgaybloke]

What makes you think that what *I* want is going to be marked different from what you want?

I define myself by my sexuality only in the sense that I know who I am. That's no different from a heterosexual person.

BUT, I'm not the one who defines me as a citizen with fewer rights than heterosexuals, just because of my sexual orientation.

I'm not ashamed of who I am and I'm not going to pretend to be someone I'm not just to placate someone else's bigotry.

[thatgaybloke]

What makes you happy?

Being able to marry.

Being able to adopt children?

Not being afraid to talk about your family life at work or in the street lest you be fired or assaulted?

Not being compared directly with child molesters?

Not being told that you shouldn't be a teacher, because your sexual orientation means you're not a good role model for children?

Not having to be worried that if you are honest about who you are, your friends and family might reject you?

[jms8888]

Ok so you want to be treated "equal" I'll ask you again, what needs to be done to make you happy? Being treated "equal" could mean a lot of things. You want to marry, okay, but what else needs to be done? I mean, I'm really trying to figure this out. When will you say things are equal?

Oh, and you do indeed define yourself by your sexuality. Let's not play that game. You are a gay man, that means you have sex with other men. What's so hard about that?

[thatgaybloke]

You should be thankful that there are people - nobler than me, for sure - who were, and still are, prepared to make great personal sacrifice rather than simply "go away and be equal". Were that not the case, you wouldn't be enjoying many of the freedoms you take for granted today.