Goth Subculture and Paganism

From Sir4sissors, "I'm currently reading "Advanced Wiccan Spirituality" by Kevin Saunders, and, on page who-knows-what (I can't find it right now for some odd reason, and I don't feel like re-reading a whole chapter) he says something to the effect of "those people who walk around in goth clothing and makeup, wearing giant silver pentacles think they have found their higher selves, when they've actually fallen for the illusion." As someone who obviously doesn't dress in a "cut and paste" way, how do you react to that? Does your choice in clothing, makeup and jewelry really have anything to do with where you are in your spiritual development? Does it actually reflect where you are right now? Or even, do you sometimes use these things as part of your spirituality (like using makeup with specific correspondences and meanings, some sort of costuming, etc.). "

AWESOME question!!! And we see this a lot of places too.

In my opinion, the goth and pagan lifestyles/communities go hand and hand. The stereotype exists for a reason, but it isn't necessarily a bad thing. =)

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[bluesage3]

You have to approve all posts. just shows that you are weak.....

[owlsandankhs]

@bluesage3 Oh! You made a typo! Let me correct that for you: *cautious and unaccepting of people's bullshit.

There you go. You're welcome. =)

[HippieGirlClaire]

Well I don't know about you, but I quite like living in Walk Disney movies. Lol beat's reality. I hate labels. I consider myself somewhat ''gothic'', but not necessarily a ''goth''. I wear black lipstick and love black and bands like LondonafterMidnight, and am crazy about Emilie Autumn. But I don't consider myself a goth really, I wear Bindi's and love Indian clothing. I'm a weird one lol. But there is a real beauty in darkness. Labels do suck though, I would say I'm just a general Hippy.

[owlsandankhs]

@HippieGirlClaire I still LOVE Disney movies! I'm kinda dying to see Winnie the Pooh. hahaha

That's fine too. I used to hate labels, but sometimes labels are good IMO. And HELLS YEAH I loooooove all sorts of clothes! I don't always do the stereotypical goth thing 24/7, but I don't feel that makes me any less of one and it shouldn't. haha Maybe I just lose some non-existent "goth points" for that. xD Be who you are, it's still beautiful! :D ♥

[divemasterme88]

"Bats...god do I love bats" hahahah! Hilarious :)

Great video!

[Sesshomaru26000]

i agree with many of your points on why the a lot of the people in the goth community would be into paganism. im not goth im more gothabilly as my friends put it, but i love gothic people and how creative they are a lot of my friends follow the culture and are also pagans, discordians, etc. i think its how goths look outside the box in life and take that road less traveled to find themselves that lead them to paganism that and a strong sense of individual personalty.

[shodanox]

You look like Garcia from Criminal Minds.

[owlsandankhs]

@ronanwicca It's all right babe <3

[ronanwicca]

@owlsandankhs I was just expressing a similar view point, I am also a fan of the goth subculture, and I'm getting into the fashion. I was just a little pissed when I posted that.

[Topgeneral3070]

I like your neck collar. I could tell you were kinky before you said anything. :)

[GingerbreadCoffinx]

Most of the pagans in my area hippies actually. ;)

Even though I'm not Pagan I can understand the frustration of the person you quoted. There are some Goths who wear penticles or half-assedly get into paganism simply because they think it makes them seem "spooky" or "edgy". That's disrespectful of those who are devote pagans. I wouldn't say "a lot" of Goths are pagan. It's just that the subculture is accepting of different beliefs. Thus, you'll see more pagans openly expressing themselves.

[SmaragdineSage]

I have always been goth....but I have NOT always been Pagan. I was Muslim...and goth...it didn't work well hahahaha....I came to Paganism (not Wicca) but Dark Paganism after having fought off being Pagan for so many years (my faith in Islam was always shaky) so I left Abraham and came to my path...I am still goth - Victorian goth and more vampy - not a death doll...and I will always be that way :)

[2008atwt]

The Worst Witch <3 <3 ^.^

[JacobDanielRay]

OMG! I went over in a video called "What is Paganism/What are pagans?"

It doesn't go over the stereotypes much but it goes over the faith. Your video is good for stamping the stereotypes. Good job. Thumbs up the video.