David Rovics Sings, "Who Would Jesus Bomb?"

I believe in autonomy. First and foremost I believe in no government. But the purpose is so we can form individual societies. There can be socliast, free market etc. I don't think one economic system works for everyone. I call myself ancap simply because if we had no government I would prefer to live in a free market community. Volunteering for submission is not being "ruled". I think capitalism or socialism is equally dangerous in a large setting.

There cant be freedom if the production process is owned by one or a group people, rather than the whole thing is owned by the workers that does the job, that my friend, isnt anarchist, you are not anarchist for wanting to destroy gobernment, you are anarchist if you believe that no one should be ruled by no one, and the core of capitalism and private property gives everyone the "opportunity" to rule under your property like a supreme unquestionable authority.

I think it's telling that western anarchists like godwin and thoreau and rothbard were more capitalist/individualist. It's the places we come from. Just like the russian and south american anarchists are more into communism/socialism. I think that both would work, but no one system should ever rule the world. Socialist anarchism is great for countries like Cuba where the vast majority is poor. But it doesnt work in every situation and in my opinion it doesnt work in this one (The u.s.).

On the subject of humans being competetive. What do you call going from Benjamin Franklin flying a kite in 1752 to having bionic lims, pacemakers, acoustic weapon technology, Aids patients living normal lives etc. in less than 300 years? Or on a basic level, look at little kids on a school yard. They are constantly competing for status, being cruel to weaker kids the way a pack of animals is cruel to the ill animals. It's not pretty but to try and fight human nature is a waste of time.

Oh, i love that "natural human behavior" thing, where is the scientific proof of that?. do you think people like keynes, or adam smith were trying to help all the people?, na, capitalism was created for the rich, not the people.

That was a really stupid comment. The proof of it being a natural behavior is that for thousands of years before capitalism was ever consiously used people killed off other tribes, tried to make more money than others, competed for women etc. Without competition we'd be like the Dodo bird. There's no denying that humans are competetive by nature. Besides, socialism just makes everyone mediocre. No ones worse than anyone else but no one is any better. That would be an even sadder world.

Just tell me, do you compete with your friends?, do you compete with the members of your familiy?, telling that competition is the natural order is simply stupid, i am a sociology student and as far as i know there is no such thing as natural order of human behavior.

In a voluntary communal situation like a family there is usually no need for competition. It works on a small scale. But when it comes down to it you do compete with your family. Brothers and sisters compete, fathers and sons compete, the next generation tries to outdo the last one. Through competition has been born an incentive to innovate and improve. The only thing socialism ever innovated was the Theremin. Collectevism can work within a free market, but not the other way around.

Still, there is no scientifical proof that competition is the only sistem suitable for humans, and even if we collectivized everything, the only competition erased is the one of the profit, you still compete in sports, music, art, socials, games, humans dont need a murdering system to be able to do healthy competition if that is their desire.

The problem with not having competition is that I dont believe we innovate nearly as much without it. Without the profit incentive why would anyone have ever created pacemakers, or artificial limbs? The reason I switched from collectevist anarchism to individualist is because collectevist anarchism seems to forget the realistic human factor in the situation. I have spent my whole life poor. Money isn't my motivation, complete freedom is.