Modern Miracles

Just posing a question to the Atheist community about the effects, if any, modern advances in medicine and other areas of technology have on the perceived notion that Miracles are impossible.

For a full description please visit today's blog post: http://livingontheedge012.blogspot.com/2011/12/when-supernatural-becomes-poss...


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[funningincircles]

It is possible that in 100 years everyone will have pollution free, flying cars... that does not keep me from being skeptical of a salesman trying to sell me a bottle of liquid for $10 that he claims can replace 20 tanks of gasoline.

Lots of things are possible, but my mind and my car are too important to me to fill with unverifiable hopes.

And if, someday, there is a $10 superfuel, that doesn't mean I should take the word of traveling salesmen who claimed they sold them in the past.

[TheEdge012]

Skepticism of the salesmen may still be warranted if for no other reason than he's a salesman. But I assume that as technology proves his claims to be more and more possible that you will adjust the skepticism from failure to believe the product can do such things to "what is this sales guys catch and will he give me a fair price?" Not that I like the comparison to a sales guy...but...

[LogicalStatements1]

It's like even if you can prove a miracle occurred how can you link that to your particular"god" existing?

Personally it isn't that I want to not believe in a"god"It is that not a single dogmatic judgemental and forceful religion has ever proved their claims,It makes them look like a laughing stock, yet they show no shame just like a child when it believes in santa shows no shame, It is the same mentality.

In answer to your question:

Science adapts and changes,religion cannot it is stale.

[TheEdge012]

"It's like even if you can prove a miracle occurred how can you link that to your particular"god" existing?"

Not trying to make that link. At least not with this video discussion. Just curious whether or not our advances have an impact on the skepticism used to discount extraordinary claims of previously thought-to-be impossible acts?

[TheEdge012]

"Science adapts and changes,religion cannot it is stale."

Not a big fan of religion. Neither was Jesus.

[HumanitysAdvocate]

If there were anymore evidence to prove my God exists you'd be roasting in it, which isn't far from the truth. The atheist mind is stuck in a shallow stupor, unable to grasp thinking beyond the physical world. Like a child you lack any depth of thinking.

Atheism is dead, or in the least a zombie - atheism is the laughing stock.

[HumanitysAdvocate]

Scholars and historians spend life times unraveling the Scriptures, yet the superior atheists get it done a weekend and then judge it to be "fairy-tales" and believers to be irrational? Atheists are metempirical hypocrites and irrational morons. Atheists fail to provide any rational reasoning for the foundations for their assertions, all they offer is ridicule; Ridicule is not an argument.

[funningincircles]

@TheEdge012 The difference between science and revelation is that in science you can trace claims of knowledge back to the original observation and testing. The salesman's claim that he had a product years before anyone else is hard to believe. If he can wants people to believe him, he needs to show where his knowledge of super-fuels came from.

[ModernDeism]

@LogicalStatements1 if by atheist a lack of belief in a theistic god - yes. I always say " we are all agonstics, with our own leani"ngs"

[Greathiway]

I think the progress of science has made Super-beliefs and religious certainties seem evermore laughable. Our understanding of the world has eroded religions claims to singular truth and always in one direction. Can you think of one thing for which we now have a better religious answer for which we once had a better scientific answer? Now How trivially easy for us to answer the converse.

[Chuck1863]

If something is possible then someone should be able to do it again. Modern miracles are repeatable. If someone claims that an event occurred that can't be shown to be possible, I have to ask which is more likely, that it really did occur or that someone lied, exaggerated, or misinterpreted what he saw? Deceit and errors happen all the time. I know of no confirmed miracles. It seems far more likely that the miracle didn't really happen.

[LogicalStatements1]

@TheEdge012 You cannot prove that though. You can read something out loud but think about it as an adult and not a child, you literally cannot prove that is what "Jesus" thought.

[LogicalStatements1]

@TheEdge012 "Our advances"

Meaning technological advances? Well the main impact it has had is disproving the existence of a "god" from any old age religions, new religions have formed to include our technological advances and the fact that new religions and new versions of old religions have been made up shows me that religion is a bit "fishy".

[LogicalStatements1]

@ModernDeism By labelling it "god" it is automatically linked by the vast majority of the population to the idea of a "god" that already "exists" in theistic minds.

Unless you define what you think is a "god" you are basically saying you don't know what it is in which case why are you not an atheist? (agnostic too because no intelligent atheist would claim to know)

[ModernDeism]

I`m content in not knowing and I judge no one with any dogma.

[ModernDeism]

@LogicalStatements1 I think Lao Zi said it wisely " In order to discriminate various things, we name them. In order to identify them, we label them. In order to make use of them, we possess them. Name then becomes the mentally identified reality. Label creates the controllable identity, and usage becomes the practical obsession (or habit). Essentially that is how we discriminate ourselves." Tao (god) is nameless. So any claims by me to "know" will always fall short.

[Smithpolly]

@TheEdge012  Skeptics question extraordinary claims. Some of those claims will stand up to scrutiny. Many won't. If you're making an extraordinary claim, you're can't just piggyback on the fact that some really weird things are true as a reason that people should believe your claim. You have to put the work in and PROVE that your really weird claim is true. For example, you believe Jesus raised the dead but I assume you would still have questions about Mr. Popoff's healing skills.

[TheEdge012]

I was not trying to belittle actual miracles by elevating a prostheltic leg to that of Jesus touching a man that was able to get up and walk. My main point was that what we used to believe impossible is proving more and more to actually BE possible.

[TheEdge012]

I worded several things in this post that don't come off well. But rather than polish it up and sit on this topic any longer I chose to articulate the presentation as best I could. I realize anything that I claim to know subjectively is not good enough for you. Please pardon the "rough draft" feel of this attempted dialog.

[TheEdge012]

What is not miraculous to you or me would absolutely be to those living just a century ago.  I think "the impossible" is often a matter of perspective and knowledge rather than an absolute fact. And don't mistake my motives with this post. I am simply asking you a question, not trying to convince you of my POV.

[LogicalStatements1]

@ModernDeism Yes so now you have to define what "god" is to you , a series of chemical reactions? or a humanoid type being? something incomprehensible to anything living? or do you just define "god" as a mystery? in which case why call it "god"?

[ModernDeism]

...Non believers are such b/c miracles have failed to be witnessed as such described in the bible. Blind seeing, deaf hearing, lame walking, 3 day dead ppl raised. If anything the medical field - science is making advancements for ppl to see, hear & walk with prosthetics. For me a god is the first cause of all. that first cause is the only "miracle" I can acknowledge. Our knowledge and advancements come from that.

[ModernDeism]

Miracle def. -1.an effect or extraordinary event in the physical world that surpasses all known human or natural powers and is ascribed to a supernatural cause.

2.such an effect or event manifesting or considered as a work of God.

key word is KNOWN. I believe as we progress in the sciences there is more skepticism to be had for miracles. Volcanos, meteorites, floods etc are no longer attributed to an angry god as to lets admit it a primitive, illiterate culture....

[justbekindtooall]

cont:

You say “ we Christians know this and that” no you don’t you believe these things and you have the right to believe them as people have the right to believe anything they like as long as they cause no one suffering. You have a right to your own belief but not to your own facts.

[justbekindtooall]

Greetings, I hope you are well and happy

Nothing, why should they?

These are not Modern Miracles.

These advances are the result of known facts and hard work, this through great study and hard work and involve no Miracles no magic and are based in facts and reality. We can trace the causes and conditions behind this, study this and really document it, not old myths passed on over thousand of years, which are not based in any facts.