If there is not a pastor in the home church then elder rule has been abandoned. You don't have a biblical church without biblical leadership. Dismissing elder rule reflects is a misguided hunger for truth. Bad elders do not equal biblical leadership, there we agree.
- This is a strech to suggest that Neil is promoting abandoning pastoral leadership and eldership ministry. Pastoral leadership has been rife with cultish attributes as well (i.e. jim jones, david koresh, etc.). The bottom line is that our hunger for truth has got to be greater than our fear of of deception.
Yeah that sounds great but you don't need to forsake pastoral leadership to do it. The organic model is rogue and has little to zero elder rule and so 20 years from now this will be commonly known as a cult.
Right on...it's "Church" and "ministry" according to Galatians 1:1 ! This approach avoids all of the conflicts of interest "career, business modelled ministry" is rifed with.
Agreed, there are 4 books I can think of that EVERY follower of Jesus should read at some point in their life. 1. Bible 2. The Pilgrim's Progress 3. Screwtape Letter's 4. Pagan Christianity.
Church Planter, author... and on his days off... one of the actors from the series:
TRAILER PARK BOYS. (Google image that!)
MARK317th 3 months ago
Francis Chan leaves the Church and appears to be following the Organic Church way
joshuatrinity 6 months ago
I wish you had filmed this when/where there wasn't a loud plane flying around in the background.
xxpowwowbluexx 6 months ago
If there is not a pastor in the home church then elder rule has been abandoned. You don't have a biblical church without biblical leadership. Dismissing elder rule reflects is a misguided hunger for truth. Bad elders do not equal biblical leadership, there we agree.
darthfocus 8 months ago
- This is a strech to suggest that Neil is promoting abandoning pastoral leadership and eldership ministry. Pastoral leadership has been rife with cultish attributes as well (i.e. jim jones, david koresh, etc.). The bottom line is that our hunger for truth has got to be greater than our fear of of deception.
iseevictoryahead 8 months ago
Yeah that sounds great but you don't need to forsake pastoral leadership to do it. The organic model is rogue and has little to zero elder rule and so 20 years from now this will be commonly known as a cult.
darthfocus 8 months ago
Right on...it's "Church" and "ministry" according to Galatians 1:1 ! This approach avoids all of the conflicts of interest "career, business modelled ministry" is rifed with.
jaydug 1 year ago
It's by C.S. Lewis.
Very good, check it out.
LovedbyTheKing1990 1 year ago
Oh, Pilgrim's Progress for sure. I don't know of #3...
johneleven25 1 year ago
Agreed, there are 4 books I can think of that EVERY follower of Jesus should read at some point in their life. 1. Bible 2. The Pilgrim's Progress 3. Screwtape Letter's 4. Pagan Christianity.
LovedbyTheKing1990 1 year ago