The Run Away Atheist (and Dawkins and Grayling React Like Cowards)

http://www.bethinking.org/what-is-apologetics/introductory/british-humanists-...

AC Grayling claimed to have never debated William Lane Craig. That was found to be false. Richard Dawkins continuously runs from William Lane Craig for a debate. That's found to be true. And alas, Polly Toynbee (who makes her living criticizing religion) pulls out of a scheduled debate with William Lane Craig.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/8511931/Richard-Dawkins-accused-of-c...

http://www.premier.org.uk/craig

http://www.bethinking.org/craig

http://www.reasonablefaith.org

Material in this video is incorporated either with permission or under Fair Use for independent, non-profit, educational, illustrative and documentary purposes. Happy to discuss with any parties about potential amendments or crediting. This video voices concerns - shared by both theists and non-theists alike - about impediments to the open exchange of academic thought.

William Lane Craig's reaction to Richard Dawkins' refusal to debate him:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pqGImKLlI4

Links to more videos on William Lane Craig:

http://drcraigvideos.blogspot.com

William Lane Craig and his arguments and evidence for God:

Contingency Argument for God (the Leibnizian Argument):

http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=A7CE655E55212940

Kalam Cosmological Argument for God:

http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=54765A57944CEDDB

Teleological Argument for God:

http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=9A91B68D2FB071C1

Ontological Argument for God:

http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=48F0C019551ADD08

Moral Argument for God:

http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=EB04E423535F5D7C

Belief in God as Properly Basic:

http://www.youtube.com/playlist?p=PLEDED3EA10698ACE2

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[Cre8tvMG]

@ndrthrdr1 OK, have fun. (And don't just assume 'blame Bush' is the right answer, even if that's what your professor wants you to say.) Enjoy the weekend and I'll look for your next post.

[Cre8tvMG]

@ndrthrdr1 And your argument also must conclude that if the 'victim' enjoys it, then no harm no foul. There is no negative effect, so it must be morally good, right? So 'pleasurable molestation' would be condoned by the atheist who was logically consistent with the position you propose. Which I am sure is not what you mean to imply. So what is there beyond your personal preference for more pleasure and less suffering that makes your morality absolute? (Remember that I do believe in absolutes.)

[Cre8tvMG]

@ndrthrdr1 "The physical and emotional effects.." I understand all this and agree completely on the negative effects. But you still are starting with a theistic assumption: that humanity matters. In a materialistic universe, all things are predetermined at the big bang through endless cause and effect: there is no free will, no right or wrong, no choice. We are oddly sentient, with the illusion of choice, but as locked into cause and effect as a rock. Why must humanity matter?

[ndrthrdr1]

@Cre8tvMG I'm liking this, too, and would like to continue, but I have Political Science homework due Monday, and I'd better get it done early to be sure it all gets done. I shall return. :)

[Cre8tvMG]

@ndrthrdr1 PS - thanks for taking the time to respond with well thought out answers and challenges. it's so much more fun than the name calling I see lots of times. I really enjoy honest debate and respect someone who can disagree strongly and still be civil and on point. You're way ahead of the pack!

[ndrthrdr1]

@Cre8tvMG said "On what authority other than your distaste is molestation wrong?"

The physical and emotional effects on the victim are easily recognizable as negative, and decrease the quality of the one life we can all be sure the victim will have. Understanding that the quality of life that we experience in our society depends partly on the degree of kindness we show to each other, and the level of suffering we each experience, the logical goal is to maximize good/minimize suffering.

[Cre8tvMG]

@ndrthrdr1 Right - I don't offer proof you are created, just stating that IF you are created, you can't complain about God's moral code because he has the authority to set the rules of his creation; whereas IF you are 'uncreated' (random evolution in a solely material existence) then you have nothing other than your personal preference on which to base any moral code: so your morality can't have any greater 'authority' than a molester's. Either way you can't complain re: God on moral grounds.

[Cre8tvMG]

@ndrthrdr1 "By the way, Jesus (and most others there, WERE Jews)."

What is your point here? Every Christian knows that. It's no revelation to us, so why do you insert it at the end as though it were significant. It's like saying 'By the way, the Pope IS Catholic you know.' Well CHUH! ;-) The only thing I think I said about the Jews is that their law applied to them, not to foreigners around them, and that Christians do NOT intend to impose Jewish law on the world.

[Cre8tvMG]

@ndrthrdr1 Please note I didn't say witches have real power, just that they seek them from a different source precluded from Jews. I don't suggest that abortion protestors affected your mother's choice, only that the pro choice (not necessarily Christian) goal is to make sure everyone who starts as an innocent fetus has a guaranteed right to live. The point is that preserving innocent life is not inconsistent with support for the death penalty for the guilty.

[ndrthrdr1]

@Cre8tvMGsaid "you have no logical standing as a created being to have a 'higher moral standard' than the creator."

You have no evidence that I am a "created" being, other than by my two biological parents. That's where babies actually come from. No magical *poof* and I appear.

I don't steal, for instance, because I know that the more of us don't steal from each other, the better our society will be. Also, I feel empathy for those around me. I don't cherry pick a book, I use common sense.