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@pedro90 but well argued sir. i dont think either of us shall change the opinion of the other. so, respectfully agree to disagree? :)
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@pedro90 the side kick is a prime example, if you dont touch with it immediatly they pull it back too quick. wrong! as far as the history of taewondo, it had a background for several hundred years before the war. but most of the stuff they used can still be found in more traditional, respected schools. as far as the ancient techniques, alot of that is based on the cocept of dim mak which is another disgushin all together. but i personally believe its a load of crap.
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@pedro90 muay boran also had better follow throughs and different styled kicks. different from the ring styled kicks. specifically the round. yet again i cite donnie b. for that. as for taekwondo, remember, martial arts are generational. and the point style fight HAS hurt it. for that i cite 6th dan blackbelth in tkd and hapkido, doug johnson of mul sul kwon. i also agree that those setting up "mcdojos" as you very accurately phrased it has hurt the art.
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@emiller0098 traditional tkd wasn't even established until the 1950's with the unified governments of korea. I don't understand why many martial artists have this idea that 400 years ago there were these pai mei like masters who could rip hearts out and kill with a single palm strike, and yet somehow we just chose to forget all of that over what looks cool. if anything martial arts has gotten much better because we have begun to weed out untrue claims and legends past down for centuries.
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@emiller0098 what has hurt TKD the most is no where neer the olympics. the use of money hungry Mcdojos making tkd the poster boy of commercialized martial arts is what has hurt tkd the most. TKD was not even put into the olympics until the year 2000. thats hardly enough time for it to just become watered down- as you put it. it has for the most part always been a primary kicking system as Korean's believed hands to be too valuable to risk damaging.
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@emiller0098 and i cite that you are wrong on your history. muay boran had a lower base stance, and the inclusion of headbutts and groin shots to there arsenal of attacks. that hardly considers it less effective. muay thai was never written down on paper to be some new breed of sports entertainment. In the 1920's muay boran rules were changed to allow more acceptance in the west.as such, more those two dirty tactics were removed. thai was born.
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@pedro90 icite as my source what occured whith muay boran. it was used to create a the ring style martial art muay thai. less effective martial arts soully designed for the ring. look up Donnie B. online here. he talks about it all the time. also olympic taekwondo in both my and 6th dan blackbelt Doug johnson's opinion has hurt traditional taekwondo. only form competions have helped a martial art. all the others water it down. these are only two examples.
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@emiller0098 i don't know what tapout tools you ran into, but that is not how competitive martial artist think or train. how are they all wrong? what is wrong with the idea of combining multiple systems in your training, or competing to pressure test your abilities. no disrespect but its obvious you know very little about competitve martial arts other then what you have seen on tv or heard. Judo, boxing, BJJ, even karatekas all train there buts off and have to do what we do. its def. effective.
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@emiller0098 Sir what you just said is absolutely falacious about are art. I did chinese gung-fu for many years before transitioning to MMA. 1.) people who train in Martial arts to compete are no way less interested in improving them through martial arts as any other system. 2.) competitive martial arts allows you to pressure test what works and what doens't constantly. versus traditional that does not. 3.) MMA IS TMA. they just have more systems combined into one.
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@pedro90 yet again i have to disagree. all styles of competative fighting are wrong in both style and approach. the traditional ways was to learn a martial art in order to improve skill and mentality. it was a balancing act and designed to help the person all around. traditional is best. competition fighting sucks. a fighter just trains for the next fight. a martial artist trains for life. look at the watered down "no rules" ring version of muay boran: muay thai. ruined the martial art.
I'm using this on my mom ...she's strong
5corvette5 3 years ago 73
I wonder if any of the youtube warriors who are suggesting "ball busting", "fishhoking" and "eyegouging" have ever done it in a fight with a significant success?
I think the majority of the youtube warriors hasn't. So they should go to the nearest gym with real sparring, become students and start from the beginning. It's intimidating and it's a tough road, but you'll no longer be just a youtube warrior and there are many rewards along the way.
Agtren 1 year ago 11