Astronomy, Biology & Evolution (Part II)

Effects of Nature on Matter & Energy

[at 07:25 minutes my stick breaks as I speak the word "regressive"]

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News & Politics

Tags:

• Astronomy
• Biology
• Evolution
• matter
• energy
• bio-sphere

[museumoftechno]

I don't really understand what you're trying to say - I think you need to unpack what you mean by the loosening of binding of consciousness, and of mind becoming more and more subtle. I've been reading books like Universe of Consciousness by Edelman and Tononi, Music of Life by Denis Noble and At Home In The Universe by Stuart Kauffman and they're all fascinating accounts of new scientific ideas about self-organisation and how it might apply to mind... worth a look!

[gunapie]

I am sorry for my way of speaking.  I really can't go in to detail very much on a short video, but I am speakig of a revolutionary leap in ideas where original substance is not energy, but something more subtle.

[gunapie]

Sabongwon, sorry I was too (not to the point). We in science are confortable with the words "energy and matter", but the word "consciousness" is a new one in the science context. The basic point of my conversation was one of matter is bottled up energy and energy is bottled up consciousness. The flows of change in the universe is mirror differences in the degrees of the binding of consciousness (both a waxing effect and the waning effect of bio-evolution over time.

[gunapie]

I said: "The mind is very complex and has layers like a flower bud. The outermost is the crudest (i.e., body & brain, conscious mind, subconscious mind & three levels of super-conscious mind (the deeper intuitive layers). The vastness of the mind can not be contained in cell storage capacity of the nerves alone." but it is a deep subject for short paragraphs. Consider vivid memory, or deep inspirations of artist or scientist; this shows that it is more that nerves and nerve memory.

[gunapie]

The "quid-pro-quo idea" of inherent behavior is a subject that I have long wanted to address. Behaviorism is that dominate theory in biology to explain this, but I feel falls short to explain what is really happening. For example, consider human genius such as the composers or scientist. I feel that the mind is not at all understood. If fact, I would say that the brain is only a tool for the mind.

[Drowzor]

Actually space/time does not _have_ to have a beginning or end :3

No proof to suggest either way is true.

[Drowzor]

A little hard for me to follow in places but interesting none the less.

[rickrocker]

You said a mouthful when you said "We only have this planet to look at and that's not much". I'd like to add "Only in the present". It really pisses me off that my Natural Science text book begins with the Earth being 4.5 billion years old when its all based on a guess. All of a sudden, there are a ton of facts.... all based on that guess.

[sabongwon]

I have two things to say. (1) I wish that I could understand what you meant a little bit better. I'm an intelligent guy but your ideas are expressed through too much metaphor. (2) This time isn't that crazy and nor do we need to be so fearful. educated? Yes, but the political pendulum is swinging back and the fundamentalist, as common as they are, are exposed. I love education and that's the best part of the human condition.

[Muzaloth]

whatever is physical belongs in this 4 dimensional world.. what dimension do you think mind inhabits?

[Muzaloth]

nice remarks gunaple.. you're talking my language.

[Muzaloth]

hello old fossil.. what makes you so sure mind didn't start this space/time/matter continuem you call evolution, we are as limited as time makes us.. space/time began at some point but the general conformity of matter into mind takes a quantum past time if you could somehow recognize that mind is the starting point.. I'm talking about disembodied mind of course, commonly called spirit and G-d.