Secular Ethics: Utilitarianism, Consequentialism

I do not claim ownership over any audio found in this video. All music used listed below:
Failures of Secular Ethics Playlist:
http://www.youtube.com/user/Theologica37#grid/user/03D49A6D498F8293
Including: Egoism, Utilitarianism, Contract Theory, Naturalistic Fallacy, Failed Answers to Is/Ought Gap, Emotivism.

Fourth Section in Secular Ethics series. After brief introductions to relativism—let us dove into the realm of universal Happiness, no psycadelic drugs involved .. its just Utility.

Sources/Recommended Reading:
Routledge Encyclopedia of Philosophy
Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy
Penguins Dictionary of Philosophy
Rachels EOMP***
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0073...
Kant: Groundwork of the Metaphysic of Morals
Aquinas: On Law, Morality and Politics
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0073...
Alasdair Macintyre: After Virtue, Three Rival Versions of Moral Enquiry, Humes Ethical Writings.

Music:
Bach, J.S. Sonata V
Chorale Prelude no140
Bad Moon Rising: CCR
Bach, J.S. Allegro 1
Bach, J.S. Sleepers Awake

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[Orrenaut]

YOUR THEMESONG IS SICK.

[Theologica37]

Yea the piano/eg mix is definitely good.

[SirWinstonChurchill]

@AtheistAltar

Morality and any associated ideal is rooted entirely in a presupposition some higher power defines what is correct for human behavior.

Nature is pure war with every man against another. Fear of death is the only way to keep the peace, so man is civilized by the threat of violence against him for transgressions upon his neighbor.

Utilitarianism is just a sanctified excuse to pass the collection plate at gunpoint for the gods of communism.

[AtheistAltar]

"Morality" is the codification of base biological drives. When people figure out there's no imposed "morality" upon them and that they create value and utility, the world will go on and people will act out these base biological drives. I'm okay with that.

[AtheistAltar]

Congratulations, Theologica, you've figured it out: Morality doesn't exist! Now we just need to get you unhooked off of God :)

Natural Law doesn't do anything to prove anything. Using your logic of "rooting out the presuppositions" (which I don't mind), that presupposes that we ought to listen to God. Why ought we listen to God? How do we know God is telling the truth?

[shlockofgod]

@QuisSeperabit60 " I just postulated how one way in which it might be bridged "

Fine, that's very interesting. I can "postulate" ways myself.

I just want you to answer the question - Why, without just giving me your opinion, was the holocaust objectively wrong?

If you can answer that I might actually believe in a god.

[shlockofgod]

@QuisSeperabit60 " I accept the historicity of the ressurection and Lewis' trilemma - making biblical infallibility a matter of logical deduction." Even if all that nonsense were true how do you know the holocaust is objectively morally wrong? It's just your interpretation.

"Like I said read up on your theodices"

Oh right. Read more abstruse apologetics. Can't i just get a straight answer?

[shlockofgod]

@QuisSeperabit60 "On the atheist account, if naturalism/physicalism "

Atheism is not metaphysical naturalism. You are missing the point. I'm saying that you have no more basis for saying YOUR objective morality is true than anyone else.

"I believe the Christian ethical system best explains morality qua morality"

You keep telling me what you believe as if it means anything in regards to objective morality. I'm sure the Muslim and the Hindu all believe they can best explain it. So what?

[QuisSeperabit60]

@shlockofgod I just postulated how one way in which it might be bridged - if God instilled within human agents the capacity to make reasoned normative judgements that resolves the problem.

Anyway, I've got a dissertation to be working on so unfortunately can't continue the debate. It's been nice chatting to you tho :). (This is the point where I would normally type God Bless but I don't want to offend you :P)