"Socialism / Communism has never been tried"

In this video I will show that, contrary to the evasive bromides of socialists, the philosophical premises of socialism demand totalitarian brutality.

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[Wittgensteinism]

Your facts could not be further from the truth..

[StudentOfObjectivism]

@Wittgensteinism What specific facts do i have wrong?

[Wittgensteinism]

@StudentOfObjectivism well for starters, from 0:06 - 1:00, that entire second paragraph is 100% false. There are plenty of countries that embrace socialism today that are nowhere NEAR being "totalitarian". (i wonder if you even know what either "socialism" or "totalitarianism" IS given this sophomoric usage and conflation of the two terms).

Norway for instance is largely socialist and they are considered the best country to live in according to the UN Human Development Index.

[StudentOfObjectivism]

@Wittgensteinism You are clearly ignorant of the meaning of the word 'fact'. The second paragraph doesn't contain any facts, it contains true statements. Those statement being true they are not contradicted by any facts.

Norway is, like most of the world, a mixed economy - and the extent to which it is mixed with socialism is the extent to which people are manifestly not free to spend their money or live their lives as they see fit.

[StudentOfObjectivism]

@kajmobile Errrr, excuse me, I have a video in which I observe that feudal slaves were better off than Soviet peasants... this video is not about mixed economies and when you try to accuse me of making such an argument it is you who are guilty of erecting a strawman.

To claim that Marx was for individual freedom is ridiculous - it can only be stated by someone consciously evading the actual meaning of the term 'freedom'.

[JohananRaatz]

@StudentOfObjectivism That's because communism (as Marxists conceive it) CAN never be tried. Economics by definition requires private property, thus to construct an economic model without private property is a contradiction in terms.

All that happens is that the the state owns all of the property, and is thereby able to artificially enforce equality of outcome. If it were ever to leave, capitalism would return. Hence why the state can never "wither away," under socialism.

[ACFnici]

Communism was successfully tried in the kibbuzim, Zapatistas and Spain during the civil war. (also some indian tribes) ;) And look. Those systems have no leaders or money or private proberty and are lucky. So motivated, that there are NO crimes to proof and the quote of diseases is MUCH lower than the capitalist systems. Greetings comrade!

[StudentOfObjectivism]

@michaelwuzthere Dude, you can't say, 'And then you just go on from there with more irrational objectivist dogma. It's childish and stupid' and then act all butt-hurt when I get tired of it and call you an idiot. Your position is a textbook example of reification and you therefore deserve to be called an idiot.

Furthermore, Objectivism is not a cult and if you insist on using ad homs then you can get stuffed. Blocked.

[michaelwuzthere]

@StudentOfObjectivism Again, denial of basic facts just makes you more wrong. Calling me an idiot doesn't make you any more right either. If you want to follow the cult of a confirmed sociopath - Ayn Rand - then you have that right, but you can't change basic facts. I encourage you to watch the video which I have previously linked so I don't have to restate points already in that video.

[StudentOfObjectivism]

@michaelwuzthere I hate coming down to this, but you are a real idiot. I've explained why you are wrong and there is no excuse for you to continue reificating society as you are right now.

Like I said in my PM from the Dannidandannikins channel: I don't think there is an honest defence of socialism... nothing you have said has onvinced me otherwise.

[michaelwuzthere]

@StudentOfObjectivism Denying that society is capable of action is like saying that humans are incapable of action, and only our cells or organs are. That's how skyscrapers and dams or revolutions and social changes come about - acting on a collective empathy and mission.