Chomsky: "abolishing the state" not a strategy

Responding to a question by free-marketeer Roderick Long

Category:

Education

Tags:

• capitalism
• anarchism
• socialism
• state

[AndrewMann552]

Noam is a classic anarchist in the style of Kropotkin and Bakunin, not some immature kid who believes "anarchism" means just smashing everything and dancing around a bonfire. His stances make total sense, you cannot completely get rid of the state overnight or else millions would die and fall into real, deadly chaos which is not what the actual anarchist philosophers envisioned.

[capt251978]

DAMN! Once again Noam breaks it down in simple terms and ideas.

[Lottechoco]

@SebbeSucksBawlz ok It was nice talking with you. thanks. Bye

[SebbeSucksBawlz]

@Lottechoco I know how you feel.

[Lottechoco]

@SebbeSucksBawlz I am not going to debate with someone who keeps dodging the question and never considers the other side. It is like debating a religious person. I did my homework, I read the leftists stuff-- they sounds nice, they are academic, but they are also nonsense.

[SebbeSucksBawlz]

@Lottechoco And are you saying the workers of the world are a minority? LOL

[SebbeSucksBawlz]

@Lottechoco When did I ever say I want a small group of leftists to dominate the world and decide everything for everyone else? Socialism will not be forced on the majority by the minority, that's impossible. Socialism isn't a bureaucracy or dictatorship, it's the complete opposite. I don't know how you could have read a significant amount of leftist literature and missed this. I didn't divert the question, I just asked you the same question to help you see what little sense it made.

[Lottechoco]

@SebbeSucksBawlz no, people can decide their laws and the representative they have in the government. It is called a representative democracy. One man one vote- NOT some sort of worker's democracy- now only workers rule? what? If majority people want to be socialist, then you can vote in a socialist party. Fair game to me! But what about a small group of leftists who think they can decide what other people want? That does not fly in my book.

Good job diverting the question, now back to you!

[SebbeSucksBawlz]

@Lottechoco So what's your solution to "forcing" everyone to live a certain way? Put a state in place to force everyone to live another way?

[Lottechoco]

@SebbeSucksBawlz hey I've read you guys stuff. I've read bakunin, kropotkin, marx. I've read about libertarian socialism, anarcho-syndicalism, anarcho-socialism. You guys have some forms of free associations of workers syndicates, abolishing money, abolishing of state right, worker's self management right? That is lovely if you guys organize and do that right now--- wait.. you guys want to abolish the state...doesn't that means forcing everybody to live like that?

[SebbeSucksBawlz]

@lysol5555 What you just said had nothing to do with what I asked you. I could work out for myself that you think state socialism is a bad thing, and just for the record -- (state) socialism as a welfare state controlled by a bureaucracy is not what we want. You're referring to ideas rammed into your head by anti-socialist propaganda. As for "human nature", you're asking for a whole new debate on its own there. How about we leave this, as I don't see it going anywhere.

[lysol5555]

@SebbeSucksBawlz State socialism has been tried and failed everywhere it was tried. It was a cruel experiment that has failed to alter human nature- Marx: "being determine consciousness" is only a small part of the time.

Two scenarios in state socialism: black market and parasitism- the former is practiced by the enterprising people and the latter is practiced by the lazy who is only concerned with taking from the common pool.

We don't need a bureaucracy to share voluntarily.