How to make Creationists Speechless

If you want to end a debate with a Creationist or ID proponent here is a method that works like a charm.

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[Strangerinasland]

@ijustwannabeHISsheep According to the Holy Babble (the only source we have for Jesus), the vast majority of Jews did not consider him their leader. He certainly did not overcome the oppressors of the Jews before his death. He was not the messiah predicted by & hoped for by Jews. Whether Jesus sinned & whether God had sex with a 12 to 14 year old unmarried virgin are unrelated to my point. Who do you mean by us, you have a mouse in your pants?

[Strangerinasland]

@ijustwannabeHISsheep I have news for you. The messiah prophesied in the Hebrew Bible was not to be God itself. Or a son of God any more than other prophets & leaders. The messiah was to be a MAN sent by God to lead Jewish people & help enable them to overcome their oppressors. Which Jesus did not do. Jewish prophets did not say he would save anyone from eternal torture or that he would do any thing for nonJews.

[Erestus]

@fadedflage And there's your problem. You could absolutely convince me of your premise if you provided me with credible sources of empiricism backing your theory. But you can't run around screaming "The sky is orange!" despite all the FACTS pertaining as to why the sky is blue, and expect me to take it seriously. Because what we call fact is, by definition, NOT a matter of opinion. It is backed by observable, concrete evidence.

[fadedflage]

@Erestus In my mind, the concept or fact of evolution, the changing of organisms over spans of time, does not necessitate the absence of a Creator. The existence and processes of the universe were set into motion by Someone, somehow, at some point. I plan to look up this study you suggest I read, because I think the idea is interesting. I read with an open mind and seek to understand. No one knows everything.

[fadedflage]

@Erestus What we choose to call facts and evidence are a matter of opinion. You said earlier that you don't know how the universe came into being, and I said evidence one way or the other won't convince anyone either way. I won't convince you, you won't convince me, and nothing I can say will satisfy you. Here is a fact. The universe as we know it, exists. If you understand small parts of operations within the universe, but cannot explain the universe's existence, we are missing the point.

[Erestus]

@fadedflage I invite you to study the data I provided to see why creationism is a faulty earth origin view. This isn't a difference of opinion. This is a difference between my view's profusion of facts and your view's lack of facts.

[fadedflage]

@Erestus Sure.

[Erestus]

@fadedflage Cavalier-Smith, T. 2002. The phagotrophic origin of eukaryotes and phylogenetic classification of Protozoa. International Journal of Systematic and Evolutionary Microbiology 52

Denton, M. 1986. Evolution: A Theory in Crisis. Bethesda, MD: Adler & Adler.

Hueck, C. J. 1998. Type III protein secretion systems in bacterial pathogens of animals and plants. Microbiology and Molecular Biology Reviews 62:

Miller, K. 2004. The flagellum unspun. In Debating Design: from Darwin to DNA, 81-97

[Erestus]

@fadedflage There is no phenomena in biology unexplained by evolution. Your argument from incredulity is a commonly known logical fallacy. Irreducible complexity has been debunked a hundred times over (reference Hueck, C. J. 1998; Cavalier-Smith, T. 2002; Miller, K. 2003; and Ussery, D. 1999 for a few). Just because you don't understand something doesn't mean it has magical origins. The flagellar motor is a well understood component.

[fadedflage]

@Erestus Okay. There are structures that exist even on the cellular level that cannot be explained by "natural selection". Some types of bacteria have methods of propulsion very similar to an outboard boat motor with many different parts. Without one of these parts, the "motor" is useless. Natural selection eliminates useless parts and makes changes very very slowly. How can bacteria develop such complex structures through evolution? Intelligent design is the only believable explanation to me.

[thx1138n05]

@GuyThreepwoody (2 of 2) ... appear in the space between the nucleus and the electron shell. This phenomenon is explained by quantum mechanics, a complex physical theory that takes more than simple logic to understand. The claim that a magical being just willed the universe into existence doesn't explain anything and is just a shallow and simplistic way to avoid the complexities of nature. The notion that the universe must have a purpose is a belief based on religious doctrine.

[thx1138n05]

@GuyThreepwoody (1 of 2) "Faith in magical self creating universes..."

Trying to use ordinary common sense logic to understand the universe will get you nowhere. The appearance of the universe out of the vacuum is indeed based on evidence. You probably don't know this, but matter particles appear and disappear out of the vacuum all the time. Even within a single atom, short-lived particles...