Magick and Causality (the video with TWO blacklights)

discussing the controversial thesis that magick does (or does not) affect chains of physical causality.

Category:

Education

Tags:

• magick
• physical
• causality
• science
• logic

[shawneci]

As shocking as it may be yes there are people usng magick to get money everyday however they wouldn't use the lottery necessarily.

Can spells get physical casuality? - short answer is yes.

Can this be repeated under scientifc scrutiny. short answer is yes. shockin i know it.

Basically magick is not about only inflicting your will on reality its much easier if you get help from somewhere...can't do everything by ourselves...its highly guarded information your talking about iyou may never know.

[jason666king]

Well, I respectfully disagree as stated in this video. Making bold claims with no evidence is not the same as proving one's point. Following that up with special pleading to the existence of secret information is even worse.

Please note, I'm not saying magick doesn't "work," only that it is not able to be fit into a model of physical causality. Such a claim mistakes what each notion actually refers to. If a causal chain were complete, magick would be superfluous; if incomplete, then impotent.

[jason666king]

@shawneci

"they wouldn't use the lottery necessarily"

IF magick WERE physically causal, then this would be the single most efficient way to make money. That's why I picked the example. Same argument holds for "fortune tellers". The proof is in the pudding. Find me someone who has won three mega-jackpot lotteries in their life and I'll concede the point. Until then, consider me unconvinced by hypotheticals, hearsay, colloquialisms and the like.

[TheSpoonFedFukWit]

Great response to Cuthulu boy.



[jason666king]

@TheSpoonFedFukWit actually it wasn't directed at him.

[RzaChess]

So no fire balls?

[andy32capp]

Fuck magick, I'll take the art of avarice.

[ArmchairOccultist]

It's unfortunate that I did actually hang around until the end. You could have summed that up in 2 minutes no problem man. Regardless, it was thoroughly explained... make more videos!

[MATEOTL86]

Sigh. I wanted to summon Forass so he can make me invisible. Daaamn.

[TheIchor]

@jason666king

You just missed the third side there, hoss. And... that is where you fail.

VS

[Mequa32]

Actually JK, if human psychology operates in a (largely) causal or deterministic way, I see no reason why performing 'magical' rituals would not influence one's own psyche in a causal manner. (Even from a crudely reductionistic physicalist stance, the brain's activity through the body [e.g. via ritualized autosuggestion] may feed back and influence the brain.)

Or is that no longer considered magic?

Oh, and ONA metaphysics? Really?

[TheZebu]

By "Myatt" do you refer to David Myatt (who never really mentions magic per se) or ONA material under the name of "Anton Long"-- who incidentally does imply that magic can produce material results?

I guess I'm just asking for YOUR view on magic, or do we have to wait for a follow-up video?

[Deophagy]

I'd agree with that.. Though I would be reluctant to limit magic to only being a placebo.

[darksoulsinside]

Perhaps a good example of mind actually having physical causality in a "magical" context would the placebo effect.

[Deophagy]

Sorry, I was responding while watching the vid and accidentally posted before proof-reading but I think you get my point.