Evil Proves God's Existence

http://www.reasonablefaith.org - William Lane Craig and Greg Koukl show that the problem of evil paradoxically proves God's existence!

Related:

On humanistic morality: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8Hv85TItAw

Atheism and the meaning of life: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ti133bg_zc

Atheism and Nihilism: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cWLvp_6wq0

Is moral relativism livable?: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qd5O0czxhz0

Are animals moral beings?: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_fwmTCoyq4

How about living by enlightened self-interest?: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=raDOnQRSRBU

Can science determine moral and ethical values?: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45mU5UgN4Hk

Poison and death: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_VSHWPMOso

Why would a good God allow evil and suffering?: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iwo4Zq-CyFs

Can there be objective morality outside of God?: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kmd-cxpm568

Richard Dawkins on the moral argument: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-OjSKr79aQ

What about the Euthyphro Dilemma?: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=me21or9T7vI

How do you know objective morality is based on God?: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5MtBGdG36g

Where do Objective Morals Originate?: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oK-PW6GS_IM

The absurdity of life without God (a lecture): http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=F780A451A2190F29

Is God necessary for morality? (a debate): http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=87BC90061091FB6E

Morality: atheism vs Christianity (a debate): http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=5C6AC262F765A152

Is goodness without God good enough? (a debate): http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=D5F1B05B59943683

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[ndrthrdr1]

Creationist: "Evil exists." Evolutionist "Define evil." Creationist "Stuff that the Devil does." Evolutionist: "Define the Devil." Creationist: "The guy who does evil stuff." Evolutionist: "How do you know that there is such a being?" Creationist: "because evil exists." I don't waste my time arguing with creationists any more. They aren't intelligent enough to understand the holes in their "logic." It's like wasting time arguing with a child over the existence of Santa Claus.

[drcraigvideos]

@ndrthrdr1 *SIGH* Craig (and Koukl and Beckwith) is not a creationist: watch?v=_IQoLg7w-_4. But if it satisfies you that the world was a product of blind and mindless and unintelligent and dead nature, suit yourself. I mean, you talk about Santa Claus. At least Santa is supposed to have a brain.

[NeilDeBarna]

@drcraigvideos Great opening to that vid you linked there. Quote:

(to WLC) "How old is the world?"

WLC: "Best estimate 13.7 billion years or so."

That's only about 9.2 billion years off of the real figure. Maybe he has a problem distinguishing between world and universe. Still, it's a better answer than a few thousand years I guess, but not a great advert for him either way.

[drcraigvideos]

@NeilDeBarna *SIGH* Hawking agrees with Craig on the age of the universe, genius. I suppose he did not have a "great advert" as well?

[bell191991]

evil = suffering. hows that for a definition? I use the term "suffering" to mean physical suffering, mental suffering, intellectual suffering, emotional suffering etc.

[MrBillyconcarne]

Sorry, but doesn't Craig define God as an unembodied mind? If the true standard of morality was created in accordance with the wishes of this mind, how can the standard be said to be objective?

[signofthehammer]

@MrBillyconcarne objective means independant of human opinion, not independant of God's will.

[AlanYugi9689]

Believing in evolution is not compatible with the bible. Before the fall of Adam and Eve, there was no death, but in evolution there's death before humans appeared, which means no original sin, which also means that we didn't need saving or a savior. So for the life of me, I can't figure out why Dr. Craig believes in evolution.

[wildanS]

Evil or good is just a part of duality, it's relative.

[Strefanasha]

well ,yes evil is an argument for God's existence. I have held this myself for many years.

after all evil is far more

[peteface24]

@peteface24 I'm not sure why this 2nd of my 3 comments was approved and not the others? : )

[peteface24]

@Intellectual4God As a Christian philosopher I am only too happy to add more atheist moral realists to this list: Spinoza, J.S. Mill, G.E. Moore, David Ross, John Rawls, Derek Parfit, Jonathan Dancy, Michael Smith, Philip Stratton-Lake, Ronald Dworkin, Michael Sandel, Mary Midgley, Bernard Williams, Anthony Kenny, Philipa Foot, Robert Nozick, H.L.A. Hart, Rosalind Hursthouse, Thomas Pogge, Onora O'Neill, Michael Waltzer, Nancy Davis, Will Kymlicka, Philip Pettit, Joshua Cohen, Iris Murdock...

[peteface24]

@Itsokdontpanic Then if we consider non-classical views such as open theism or process theism, on the pictures they give us God cannot always (and for some never) intervene in creation to alter the course of specific situations on Earth. If God does not intervene in the world that does not require that God distances 'himself' from it, on the contrary it can mean that God has a presence within it all along, exerting a subtle, but constant influence as much as 'he' can.

[peteface24]

@Itsokdontpanic If, when we consider classical theism, we take seriously the picture it gives us of the world, then no we cannot conclude that God simply chooses to do nothing about it. Since in that picture God and heaven are eternal whereas this life is comparatively a brief moment. In the eternal -which is God's point of view- any amount of suffering can be easily compensated for. The Christian believes that God is working, very gradually, to renew and save creation in its cosmic entirety.

[peteface24]

As a Christian philosopher I disagree. This is isn't a bad argument if based on evil alone (though I don't agree with it myself because I think that there can be objective morality without God), but it is equivocating with the traditional problem of evil. There 'evil' is a much more general term for 'stuff we don't like'. To raise the problem of human suffering, for example, it doesn't require our invoking moral values.

[Itsokdontpanic]

Correct me if I'm wrong (and I really mean that) but with evil in the world wouldn't that simply mean that god chooses to do nothing about it ( given that he could stop it anytime he wanted) ?