The new Cornhill tenor.

Weighing in at 32cwt, the tenor of the newly cast ring of twelve for St Michaels Church, Cornhill, London, which is at present in the tuning shop at Taylors. The back four were actually present, but as my camera was only working intermittently, it was not possible to make a long neough video to hit all four

At the beginning of April, the bells are due to be taken from Loughborough and placed on the floor of the church, where they will be present at a service of dedication.

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[95tupolev]

They must be finished by now. Have they been rung yet?

[irkibby]

@95tupolev I believe a tryout is imminent

[JustInn014]

Sounds great. Can't wait to hear all 12 bells ring out.

[irkibby]

@JustInn014

They are being installed, wheels are going on at the minute. Naturally they'll be on here asap!

[simonbellringer]

@95tupolev I disagree with the bit about West Ham, I thought they were a super Taylor 10, and all sounded perfectly in tune with one another!!

[simonbellringer]

@95tupolev The first peal was rung on these on Sunday (26th June)

[fartwell2000]

@irkibby ADH has Facebook'd that try out was today, hope somebody sticks it up on here. Wonder if "The Friends of Whitechapel" have been protesting outside, during the tryout?

[95tupolev]

That explains a lot. For instance, why the rings at The Sacred Heart, Bournemouth and Walsgrave-on-Stowe are out of tune. 

[irkibby]

@95tupolev Tuner was notoriously bad.

[95tupolev]

@irkibby What do you think went wrong at Coleshill then? Are they naff castings or is it naff tuning?

[95tupolev]

@fartwell2000 St. Michael's, Bath are mostly Rudhall, with a Warner 7th and 2nd. They used to sound just plain weird. The locals told me that they were completely transformed. As well as Cransley, Whitechapel tuned the Bagley 5 at Salford, Oxon. Compare these with the Taylor tuned Bagley back 6 at Wellesbourne. I rest my case.

Welford, Exeter extra treble, York extra treble, West Ham are rings with modernish Taylor bells that do not match earlier ones.

[fartwell2000]

@irkibby I thought Bow were really good as a twelve, but having rung at Cornhill earlier that day.... I didn't hear St Clement Danes outside, but from the ringing chamber, I was dissapointed as I'd been led to believe they were stunning. I was a bit gutted-nobody had pencilled in Woolnoth and we walked right past the place...

Masham are not good, it really is like ringing on two fives, but much publicity was made focussing on Whitechapel casting the front five to Harrison profiles to match...

[irkibby]

@fartwell2000 The only one on that list that really are the dogs b*****ks is Jewry. Bow are grand but the trebles are awfully harsh. St Clement Danes are a superb back eight with two pingy trebles. Westminster Abbey? No chance. Heard them at the RW100 and was sorely disppointed.

As for this Masham place it sounds a bit like Pebworth in Worcestershire... an 11cwt 10 with 4 Whitechapel trebles that were cast to sound like the back bells, but instead just sound abysmal.

[fartwell2000]

@KDowner94 I've rung at Bow, Jewry and Bow and Jewry are good, but I was not impressed at St Clement Danes. The Heavy six at Foster lane are good too. Cornhill were just cack, no matter how much anyone has commented otherwise. At Masham in 1997/8, the front three of eight were sold. Whitechapel cast 5 new Trebles to the profile of the other five-and it is like ringing on two different crap fives-there is no real match (as was requested) between the front and back fives.

[fartwell2000]

@95tupolev I don't see how Tune ups (or rather tune downs) At Cransley or St Michael's in Bath are relevant.

Cransley are all Bagley bells and St Michael's are a 1723 A II Rudhall six with two 1880's Taylor Trebles. St Michael's were not too bad to start with. Stevie Wonder could have tuned those and they would have come up OK. So let's be honest about it, Whitechapel had an excellent starting point for tuning those.

I haven't been to Coleshill, so can't comment about them

[KDowner94]

@fartwell2000 Of course there are. Taylors have cast some bloody brillant stuff in their time such as, Abergavenny, York (who doesn't think York are good), most of Redcliffe, most of Chale, IOW, Worcester and probably the new Cornhill twelve too. But you have to admit that Whitechapel have cast some truly brilliant bells as well. Bow, Jewry Westminster Abbey, St Clement Danes.

[bellminsterboy]

@simonbellringer all of the bell weights for all of the 12 are now given by dove online

[irkibby]

@95tupolev

3+4 are the old trebles of an eight which were included in a ten around them in the seventies, yes. And the thing is about Coleshill, even the most ardent Taylors fan I know thinks that Coleshill are a load of utter shite, which they are. Any others apart from Coleshill you care to mention?

[95tupolev]

There are plenty of Taylor augmentations of their own rings which are poor. Coleshill are shocking example of 2 1923 Taylor bells (4 & 3) totally outclassing the newer Taylor bells of 1978. Cransley and St. Michael's Bath are 2 very good examples of old bells tuned by Whitechapel.

[fartwell2000]

@KDowner94 If you don't understand what it means, ask Fr Barry?

[KDowner94]

@fartwell2000 Whats that meant to mean

[fartwell2000]

@KDowner94 Not to worry, Kieran. Jesus loves you........

[Engerlingraucher]

Ooooh, that sounds really really good!! Much better as the old shitty ring... ;-)))

[fartwell2000]

@KDowner94 Must be some Taylor jobs you like, surely? I don't like a lot of the old stuff that has come from Whitechapel Road, but I do like some of the "complete" true harmonic stuff they have produced, but for a tune up (or rather tune down) or an augmentation, I wouldn't touch Whitechapel with a shitty stick..

[KDowner94]

@irkibby Yes I admit they have not been mature comments at all - but I still dont like Taylors