Master Samuel Kwok on Wing Chun Fighting

This is Kwok Sigung's assessment of the purpose of Wing Chun. He says, "Wing Chun is not a game; It's for survival...for fighting. We don't hit and then wait. No wait. Ok? We do the fan da and we carry on until he comes down..."

This was from his U.S. seminar in Yorktown, VA which was held at Mass Martial Arts with Sifu Tony Massengill .


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[shuyin131]

Wing Chun is not rigid. In fact good Wing Chun teachers teach you not to be rigid and the basic principle is to be soft like a blade of grass, but firm and unyielding. Real Wing Chun used on the street, doesn't look like Wing Chun. It looks like me boxing your face in.

[ichigotao90]

i dont care if you talk about this guy i dont know him but dont ever put down wing chun after all if you try boxing against a wing chun master or someone who knows what they are doing they wont touch then because they can't get passed there center line so no jabs or upper cuts and if he throws a hook he's just going to strike it and deaden the arm no disrespect to boxing but most styles have there strengths and weaknesses so dont try to single out wing chun

[AintNoSuperiorStyle]

@MegaSmud

Also, dual wielding the BF swords (eg Musashi's katanas) produces more severed limbs and necks. Groundwork thus is impossible. And in historical legend, Ng Mui killed the legendary Fong Sai-yuk with WC as she was tasked with adding the finishing dim-mak skills (of which she was master) to it. But to save Master Fong's reputation, Bak Mei (a male) is given the glory. The truth appears in the legend of Yim Wing Chun to protect Fong's rep & give Ng Mui her deserved honour of his defeat.

[smokinthepot]

@MegaSmud duel weild. the dragon pole form teaches techniques for longer range weapons ie spears, sticks, halbreds etc then theres a wooden dummy form for when you lack a partner. IMO untainted by Bruce Lees thoughts Wing Chun seems an allround stand up fight style with few flaws (other then its close range in some situations) whats it lacking??? a gun form?

[rgvwingchun]

@MegaSmud any martial art has "fixed positions"otherwise it is no "art"....consider also that Bruce was not a wing chun expert as he only learned the foundation form and didn't get a look at the whole art to competently evaluate it. Kind of unfair of his criticism don't you think? Good teachers of any martial art recognize that no fight is planned and I recognize this also....but a punch is a punch and can be deflected and controlled to make counter attacking feasible which is what wing chun

[MegaSmud]

@rgvwingchun Thank you! I have been studied the martial arts for many years. I read all the books of Bruce Lee and convinced myself that match his statements. For this reason - and also from my own experience - I agree with Bruce Lee's statements. Wing Chun has fixed motions, with are not allowed to leave. But: no fight has programmed motions! That´s what I wanted to say.

[rgvwingchun]

@MegaSmud your english not bad at all actually....I will admit that the way some people train and teach their win chun is absolutely useless for real fights....but that can go fo any art but does it say something about the art necessarily or the one teaching? Punching and kicking are useful for fightng period. You might just wang to evaluate different win chun instructors bfoe you make a statement about the art itself....try

[MegaSmud]

@rgvwingchun O.K. that´s something different. But, Wing Chun is Wing Chun. And I don´t think, that this system is complete enough for fighting. I´m sorry, but I am a german, my english is not perfekt.

[rgvwingchun]

@MegaSmud I'm aware of what you mean and I assure you as I train and am taught wing chun by my sifu (not Kwok) our wing chun is not trained for anything other than real combat and self defense situations. Perhaps you are confusing my wing chun with somebody elses in which cases your are making a part to whole fallacy in your conclusion that you shoul consider as incoherent

[MegaSmud]

@rgvwingchun No, I don´t mean a sporting competition! I mean, a real fight as a competition. Nobody is able to fight, if he not train to fight. Wing Chun isn´t an art to learn, how to fight real (without rules or less rules/fullkontakt). 

[rgvwingchun]

@MegaSmud while I won't speak for Kwok, I will speak for wing chun as a fighting art...it is a fighting art asit is taught. Self defense, in case you are not aware, is more abou awareness and the legalities of how far one can go in a fight in the eyes of the law. No, by your logic any art that hasn been in a fightg (not a sporting cmpetition) does not qualify as a fighting art at all. Your logic doesn't necessarily follow here

[MegaSmud]

In Wing Chun, there are no competitions. Now, Mr. Kwok said, that Wing Chun is for fighting. How can he talk about fighting, when a Wing Chun artist has never fought? Wing Chun is not a martial art, because a martial art is the art of fighting and not just the art of self-defense.