Excerpt of interview with Dr. Ligaya Acosta, Regional Coordinator for Asia and Oceania for Human Life International, at HLI's international headquarters in the U.S.
@toowaker37 Please show me the "religious stuff" and I'll drop it. Actually, I won't, I just haven't used any yet. Fly over Africa, Asia, the SW US (or KS)... and then tell me we're about to be stacked on top of one another. That's just nutty. I think cities are great as an option, and when just laws are in place with virtuous people, cities work great. That's where people tend to go.
The "We have to do something about this" attitude is evidence of a totalitarian mindset. Let people live.
@HLICommunications and you would like living stacked on top of one another. Not me. I live in Kansas, we are spread out far from each other to allow a person to own some land and move around freely, to hunt and fish on his own property without having to worry about his neighbors. Drop the religious stuff and just accept that man has defeated the built in controls that were put in place to naturally control our population. We're headed for a disaster when it all comes to a head
@toowaker37 OK. But if you look at macro population levels, they are already set to max out in 2050 at between 8 and 9 billion, then level off and decline. And if you travel you will see how people can live very well in densely populated areas when there is a sound rule of law and an ethos of virtue and strong families (which tend to be smaller in denser areas). Get rid of corruption, teach people how to live well. Don't force them to conform to our desires.
And I'm not advocating murder just not reproducing those that are currently here. At this point we have only 1 person dieing for every 3 people being born. How long do you think that can be maintained until we reach a critical threshold and we all have to live in slums stacked on top of each other. This isn't an anti life argument, I've been a hunter for years and value nature when it's in balance and I maintain that we are way out of balance and we will pay the price.
@toowaker37 Wow. We get accused of exaggerating the callousness of those who advocate for population control could hardly have come up with a better example of exactly that anti-life mentality: people are the problem.
Every person you want to get rid of is a mother or father, a son or daughter, brother or sister. Now look at your own family and friends and tell us who needs to be "thinned" for the sake of the herd. Who shouldn't be here?
It's not just about having kids for future slaves to take care of the elderly. It's about letting the initial die off happen and then letting a stronger population emerge that has some room to breath. It's about allowing the environment a chance to recover from the onslaught of human impact. You can't just look at it from a social program for retirement. Even hunters know that you have to thin the herd in order to keep the herd strong over the long haul.
@toowaker37 But if you invert the population pyramid, you won't have enough people paying into the system to keep it afloat. See Japan, Russia and their demographic decline problems. And see how in France they're trying to pay people to have kids now that they see the problem, and it isn't working. Philippines' problems are due to massive corruption in government and society. Name one society that went into serious demographic decline and survived.
The problem is the Philippines is a royal crap hole thanks to over population. You have over fished and over polluted and you think you can buy your way out of these problems. If you want a higher standard of living...news flash have one kid and educate that kid to the best of you ability and gradually you'll dig ourselves out of poverty, but if you keep recklessly reproducing you'll continue the cycle of suffering.
@JaggerRockNRolla I think population control can be intiated in many different forms, quote me if I'm wrong but isn't there a high population rate of homosexuals in this country ? This is one tactic they use for this ...
@toowaker37 Please show me the "religious stuff" and I'll drop it. Actually, I won't, I just haven't used any yet. Fly over Africa, Asia, the SW US (or KS)... and then tell me we're about to be stacked on top of one another. That's just nutty. I think cities are great as an option, and when just laws are in place with virtuous people, cities work great. That's where people tend to go.
The "We have to do something about this" attitude is evidence of a totalitarian mindset. Let people live.
HLICommunications 1 week ago
@HLICommunications and you would like living stacked on top of one another. Not me. I live in Kansas, we are spread out far from each other to allow a person to own some land and move around freely, to hunt and fish on his own property without having to worry about his neighbors. Drop the religious stuff and just accept that man has defeated the built in controls that were put in place to naturally control our population. We're headed for a disaster when it all comes to a head
toowaker37 1 week ago
@toowaker37 OK. But if you look at macro population levels, they are already set to max out in 2050 at between 8 and 9 billion, then level off and decline. And if you travel you will see how people can live very well in densely populated areas when there is a sound rule of law and an ethos of virtue and strong families (which tend to be smaller in denser areas). Get rid of corruption, teach people how to live well. Don't force them to conform to our desires.
HLICommunications 1 week ago
And I'm not advocating murder just not reproducing those that are currently here. At this point we have only 1 person dieing for every 3 people being born. How long do you think that can be maintained until we reach a critical threshold and we all have to live in slums stacked on top of each other. This isn't an anti life argument, I've been a hunter for years and value nature when it's in balance and I maintain that we are way out of balance and we will pay the price.
toowaker37 1 week ago
@toowaker37 Wow. We get accused of exaggerating the callousness of those who advocate for population control could hardly have come up with a better example of exactly that anti-life mentality: people are the problem.
Every person you want to get rid of is a mother or father, a son or daughter, brother or sister. Now look at your own family and friends and tell us who needs to be "thinned" for the sake of the herd. Who shouldn't be here?
HLICommunications 1 week ago
It's not just about having kids for future slaves to take care of the elderly. It's about letting the initial die off happen and then letting a stronger population emerge that has some room to breath. It's about allowing the environment a chance to recover from the onslaught of human impact. You can't just look at it from a social program for retirement. Even hunters know that you have to thin the herd in order to keep the herd strong over the long haul.
toowaker37 1 week ago
@toowaker37 But if you invert the population pyramid, you won't have enough people paying into the system to keep it afloat. See Japan, Russia and their demographic decline problems. And see how in France they're trying to pay people to have kids now that they see the problem, and it isn't working. Philippines' problems are due to massive corruption in government and society. Name one society that went into serious demographic decline and survived.
HLICommunications 1 week ago
The problem is the Philippines is a royal crap hole thanks to over population. You have over fished and over polluted and you think you can buy your way out of these problems. If you want a higher standard of living...news flash have one kid and educate that kid to the best of you ability and gradually you'll dig ourselves out of poverty, but if you keep recklessly reproducing you'll continue the cycle of suffering.
toowaker37 1 week ago
@JaggerRockNRolla I think population control can be intiated in many different forms, quote me if I'm wrong but isn't there a high population rate of homosexuals in this country ? This is one tactic they use for this ...
truesubstance 1 month ago
@costumeperfectforu Unfortunately, they have to be. >__> Otherwise, what the hell are they?
TerraTazo 5 months ago