Consciousness, Imagination, Reality

RE: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtICZM_ApxE ALSO SEE: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQV5RqXULDU

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[TWITfromURANUS]

For me, the important thing to realise is, not only do we not know, but we cannot know, in any definitive conceptual way.

Great spiritual minds have been saying this for thousands of years.

& whether some people know/accept it or not, those minds were ALL ABOUT REALITY.

[Professoranton]

@TWITfromURANUS "Great spiritual minds have been saying this for thousands of years." Agreed.

[sensorysalad]

@professoranton have you read Julian Jaynes The Origin of Conciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind? I'm super interested in hearing your opinions on it

[Professoranton]

@sensorysalad It is a fascinating and interesting but mostly speculative book. Walter Ong treats it quite favorably and brings a more robust and, in my vies, more tenable position within his wonderful book Orality and Literacy.

[mistaAnthonyWilson]

Thanks professor, your perception of such things is rather complex for my understandings, though "consciousness" in my 'definition manual' refers to awareness and as such there is only really NOW, anything else is or could be said to be a recording after the fact and that, in the context I guess you are speaking of here, consciousness exists as a recording of all our awareness' combined, "the unified field" perhaps.

in my experience yes, anything anyone wants to believe exists as belief to them.

[Professoranton]

@mistaAnthonyWilson Even if "Reality" is always NOW, the NOW makes room for more than itself; it, at least as far as life goes, is an elongated stretch that tarries and awaits.

[bryher2]

Materialists are imaginativists? Yes, that makes sense, strange as it seems to say it.

[atheoexistentialist]

Say this other world has trees. Our conception of a tree is bound to our conscious experience of trees; therefore one projects information from their conscious experience onto the supposedly consciiosness-free world.

[atheoexistentialist]

So I think the best and most clear point is that one cannot conceive of a world without consciousness. When we make claims about a world without consciousness, our conscious experience of this world is entangled with that claim.

[emblemOFbeing]

Thank you for that, Corey. The constant 'sand bagging' must be really frustrating for you--I hope my comments do just the opposite, that is: solicit the fleshing out, or fulfillment of, what was (always) asking to be uncovered, explicated, laid out, spoken, thought, expressed, articulated, what have you.

By 'infinite past' I just meant: w/o consciousness there is no time & thus no time for a 'beginning' of time, but only an eternal past, a past that has never been present. Not (dis)agreeing

[BeardedBill86]

@BeardedBill86 To go further, is the universe still complete if you remove every sentient being except one? When the universe exists with only one observer what happens to that completeness when that one becomes none?

How do you know you have great great grandparents? Records and logic tell you you must, but you're not aware of it, you can't remember it,does this relegate it to the realm of imagination?

No, it doesn't and neither does the lack of conciousness eliminate existance.

[BeardedBill86]

We experience all of the things you mentioned because we evolved to, the ability for us to experience light waves and sound had the cost of billions of precursor lifeforms.

It will also pass, in a relatively short time compared to the "life" of the universe, we know this thanks to science what we don't know is that the universe is logically completed by the emergence of conciousness.

And I can imagine a world independant of thought, it'd be like a world without me which will occur.

[spherocyte]

(2-2)

So, if Conscious and hence “assumed reality” can be changed and reduced by half in response to losing half brain, then, I think reality can be changed “increase or decrease” based on this logic, and hence then reality is a Conscious made.

[spherocyte]

(1-2)

Consciousness

Lets take it in another way, when there is a stroke to the RT side of the brain or by removing that sphere, Individual become unaware of the left half of anything that exist.

It is not they cant see it, no, it is for them DOSE NOT exist, they are totally unaware of it, Unconscious in a sense, also unaware of the fact there is this other part that they are unaware of no matter how much you try to tell them.

[AfterFauve001]

@AfterFauve001 also there seems to me an ugly little piece of the puzzle in physics that physicists steer clear of called “dimension”. Instead of acknowledging extra dimensions as an active force, new particles and materials are thrown in to explain causes & effects including dark matter and dark energy which to me sounds like another form of luminiferous aether

[AfterFauve001]

From studying the genetic code on the atomic and sub atomic level, to fractal geometry providing the structures for everything living and inanimate, it does seem life and consciousness do have a sort of inevitability. When I here the point of view suggesting that a universe coming about ideal for life and consciousness through an evolutionary Darwinist means along the lines of natural selection, I can not help but think, “just like any other living creature”