The true face of capitalism

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Ferengi culture is a satire of free-market economics and based entirely on commerce, and the 285 Rules of Acquisition compose the sacred code on which all of Ferengi society is based. They were first written down by Gint, the first Grand Nagus (the title of the leader of the Ferengi Alliance). The title "Rules of Acquisition" was chosen as a clever marketing ploy (since the rules are merely guidelines) and Gint numbered his first rule 162 in order to create a demand for the other 161 Rules that had not yet been created.

Ferengi culture is so devoted to unregulated capitalism that concepts such as labor unions, sick leave, vacations, or paid overtime for workers are considered abhorrent, because they would interfere with the exploitation of workers. In addition to the Rules, the Ferengi also recognize the five Stages of Acquisition: infatuation, justification, appropriation, obsession, and resale. The five Stages of Acquisition may be based on the five stages of grief.

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[gilbet]

"worker is entitled to the fruits of his labor". In a fair trade (fair for each side), each side is responsible for their own fruit, which is how they arrived at the decision to trade. If either covets the other's fruit, that person is guilty of theft in his heart. Excess is a relative term related to the market, so an alternative choice for the worker must already exist before the word can be used.

[organdva]

@gilbet

Capitalist pay for the labour power. He has the money for wage(s) in advance. Then the worker enter production and do labour. Worker creates with his labour power a new property, comoditie, "fruit of labour". Then capitalist sells it on the market.

The legal framework of this is the employment contract. Worker sign that he will surender the fruit of his labour. Worker is defacto resposable but the capitalist is de jure responsable for the fruits of labour.

[penguinrawk69]

the same hierarchies develop in Capitalist and Socialist systems... is it any wonder that every socialist country quickly reverted to a hierarchical structure that left the workers as the lowest class while political elites maintained control. Socialism would be a great system if people could be trusted to adhere to it but it is impossible to implement, it always degenerates into state capitalism with the state serving the political elite... a totalitarian state oppressing the people.

[organdva]

@penguinrawk69

Areed, but not every contry, not every type of socialism. There are degrees of autoritariansim, class division, with more or less democracy, Chavez and Tito are not same as Stalin. Universal health care and education are socialist ideas. For example Spain, more precisly Catalonia and Zaragosa, between 1936-1939 is alternative type of socialism. Libertarian socialism, anarchism was from the beginig(First International and so on) in the opposition to state-socialism

[gilbet]

The product is the owner's fruit of the trade, and he's willing to accept it because it affects his profit and loss statement. But if you want to give part of the owner's fruit of the trade with the worker, to the worker, then how do you propose to divide it if the business shows a loss? Should the worker have to give back half his pay? That's why each side has to be responsible for their own results and fruits of the trade.

[gilbet]

The product is the fruit of the trade, not the fruit of the labor. But that brings us back to the debate over whose it is.

Here's an example to solve that: After years of searching, you found a gold mine and unearthed a 100lb lump of gold. You spot me walking by and offer me 50 bucks to help load it into the car. A Socialist would say you should have to give me some of that gold, but you would protest, saying you could have hired anyone to do that, or even rented a machine.

[gilbet]

The product is the owner's fruit of the trade, while the wages are the workers fruit of the trade. "Fruit of labor" implies you're trying to horn in on the owner's fruit of the trade, give it to the worker, and then calling the owner a leach when he goes to collect it.

[gilbet]

I'll delete the bottom paragraph when I get back on the flash-enabled computer.

[gilbet]

"worker is entitled to the fruits of his labor". In a fair trade, each side is responsible for their own fruit of the trade, which is how they arrived at the decision to trade. If either covets the other's fruit, that person is guilty of theft in his heart. Excess is a relative term, so an alternative choice must already exist before any word like that can be used.

[organdva]

@gilbet

The next step of narrowing of ideologies that reveals the truth. Marxist actually believe that the wage is fair, you get payed the price of your labour power.Labour power is worker ability to perform work. But, capitalist would go broke if he doesn't gain more from this exchange. This "more" is surplus value. Capitalist do some administrative work. Inventions are done by engineers and inventors-enthusiasts. Admin. work can be done by workers themselves. Markets are another issue