Paying Your Debt

What do they mean when they say they have paid their debt to society? They mean they have "served" their sentence in prison. Nothing has been paid back at all. They are still heavily in our debt.

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News & Politics

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• crime
• punishment
• graffiti
• Banksy
• theft
• robbery
• burglary
• insurance
• leftists
• excuses for criminals
• true cost of crime
• cost to victims
• victim reparations

[MsOneiroi77]

gawd that flashing screen is giving me headache

[MartinJWillett]

@MsOneiroi77 Well don't look at it, go and find something else to look at, you won't miss anything.

[rahotep101]

Nicely put. I'm told that that quite a lot of 'youth' prisoners in the US convert to Islam while behind bars. I wonder if there was retroactive application of Sharia-prescribed sentences whether this would be so common! I'll go with Thomas More's idea from Utopia that rather than being put in prisons, convicts should be put to publis service as 'slaves', having part of their ear cut off to mark them out. Let them repay their debt with work and an ounce of flesh.

[MartinJWillett]

@DragonMagi If you own a wall you can pay for somebody to paint on it. If you don't you have no say on what goes on it.

[Piatasify]

I'm 'arty', but I'm not left, neither have I ever heard any 'arty' types, not even ultra-liberals, refer to graffiti as real art, with some exceptions such as Banksy. Please remember that science is also sometimes labeled as leftwing in order to oppose it.

[MsOneiroi77]

@MartinJWillett indeed content is everything!

[MartinJWillett]

@Curas1 I haven't got policies on everything. I will make a video if I come to a conclusion. I would like to see some kind of distinction between punishment and rehabilitation, trying to do the two at the same time seems crazy. Maybe we should look at how armies work - how they knock the spirit out of men then rebuild it in a more useful form. I don't know, I haven't reached a conclusion.

[Curas1]

@MartinJWillett

Ok I guess that's not a unreasonable statement because while I did say I don't know what your views would be they are probably different from mine that I did outline.

But please in all fairness what conclusion could we take away from this video that while in specifics were left unmentioned but in tone and intent could leave how many possible directions open ?

Well in any case I hope you make a follow up to this video soon, I'm curious what reforms you would make.

[MartinJWillett]

@Curas1 You assumed that my ideas would not be progressive or aimed at reform.

[Curas1]

@MartinJWillett

I don't believe I did sir and in fact stated as much.

But I find the topic intresting and I'd like your thoughts if inclined.

[MartinJWillett]

@Curas1 Please wait for me to express my views on prisons before you assume what they are.

[Curas1]

Interesting video, but I probably have peculiar ideas about prison to you because while I'm not quite sure what you see incarceration priorities are mine are first containment from society and then reform, so my views are probably quite progressive towards yours.

Some of my ideas are also harshly conservative, I feel long time in optimal conditions makes being part of society the reward and the deterrent becomes missing out