George Ought to Help

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[Alex Roberts]

3:47

"libertarianism

stateless society"

wait a moment, I thought libertarianism had a state?

[bitbutter]

Some libertarians are minarchists, others are anarchists. I believe anarchism is the logical endpoint of libertarianism.

[Alex Roberts]

oh certainly I'd agree with how libertarianism is very much like minarchism but anarchism, although a logical conclusion of libertarianism, would probably not be too effective at truly guaranteeing liberty, right? what would you believe?

[bitbutter]

"I'd agree with how libertarianism is very much like minarchism"

As i said, libertarianism includes strains of minarchism. They are not separate categories. Same goes for anarchism.

[bitbutter]

"anarchism [...] would probably not be too effective at truly guaranteeing liberty, right?"

Anarchism only says something about what's absent (the state), it doesn't say anything about what replaces it. I believe there are certain sateless equilibria which would be much more effective at securing freedom (however we define that word) than statist solutions. The books The Machinery of Freedom and Chaos Theory are good introductions.

[bitbutter]

"Do you really think it's impossible for taxes to be taken from you in a manner that involves no incarceration or violent punishments"

No. And that's a straw man. Since you still don't understand this simple idea I don't think anyone is going to gain from continuing this conversation.

[bitbutter]

"Isn't this reducto ad absurdum?"

Yes it is (reductio ad absurdum). It's a particular mode of argumentation.

[294237soas]

"Libertarianism is completely compatible with psychopathy"

Note that the title of the film is George _Ought_ to Help. Maybe I've got this wrong, but I think Bitbutter is hinting here that indeed George _ought_ to help. Similarly the man in your example _ought_ to help the girl. However, it is one thing to say that somebody _ought_ to take a certain action; it is another thing to endorse forcing that person to take said action ultimately at pain of death.

[Bronco541]

my answer to the first question is no. I won't force George to help Oliver, if the whole world told me to do so. I don't know or much care what label that puts me under but I will stand by it firmly. Because I don't believe in telling other people how to live. I hardly have an understanding of how to live myself.

[PeaceRequiresAnarchy]

Sequel to this video: "You Can Always Leave":

/watch?v=fasTSY-dB-s

[PeaceRequiresAnarchy]

"...a minimal state is necessary..."

Does that mean you believe a minimal state is justified? How do you justify having this minimal state impose taxes on people to fund its provision of security services? Isn't a free market in protection services / rights-enforcement services the only system justified?

[utarian7]

This is a straw man. On private property there could be enforced rules that require George to throw in the floater. If this is not the case, there are also market consequences to be considered such as ostracising. If George did not use aggression against anyone, it is wrong in turn to use aggression against him. Lastly, who are you to make the judgement that George's behavior was psychopathic? For all you know he could be just standing there because of shock.

[Christopher Wilson]

Libertarianism is a very broad political philosophy. Both Milton Friedman and Noam Chomsky are Libertarians, but are rightfully different in their views on the distribution of wealth and goods. I identify myself more with someone like Robert Nozick, who feels that at most a minimal state is necessary in ensuring that all citizens liberties are protected. The creator of this video is an anarcho-capitalist, like Murray Rothbard. I suggest that you look into both authors and their views.

[LucisFerre1]

It's my private property & creation of wealth that makes me even capable of helping others. Bill Gates is far more capable of helping others than if his wealth was liquidated in the '80's and "distributed" to the masses. Walter Block also made the slippery slope argument that there is no difference between a law compelling someone to hand a drowning girl a life-preserver & laws which confiscate one's personal wealth because someone's always in need. I don't think the extrapolation is applicable.