Christian vs Atheist Morals

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[HeldbyGravity]

Christians believe by belief. If that is a strange concept to you, I cannot make you understand it, and I would be a fool to try when you are not one that would be willing to except what I say concerning belief. I am not a preacher, I am only trying to shed some light on this, as well as defend my religion.

[responder12345]

I think you can explain this believe by belief thing to me and I will try to understand this concept if you are willing. I cannot understand what you mean so you will need to explain. I was a Christian years ago and I have read and studied many Christian theological arguments and i am not familiar with this one.

[HeldbyGravity]

"Abraham attempting to murder his own child"

It was a test, in the olden times, before Christ. A test which God did not allow Abraham to carry out, so therefore this example does not work well here...

[responder12345]

the example is applicable to today because if it is very good to be so pious that you will murder your own child because god tells you to, who's to say that you are not delusional and God said no such thing? how do you know for certain God says these things and not an imagination?

[HeldbyGravity]

"the Christian bible includes numerous accounts of murder to include Moses encouraging the murder of women and children"

Old Testament, I suppose? Try reading up a bit. Those times were bloody ones. Killing of all sorts was encouraged by various societies in those times.

And the Old Testament is accounts of those times... yet no where do you see Jesus, the Son of God, encouraging killing of the innocent.

[responder12345]

So did Jesus come to change the laws of the old testament? Jesus was a Jew who followed Judaism, he did not write the new testament, that was written long after his death and it is an account of his teachings among other things. Where in the New Testament does Jesus say he is God?

[anurre5]

Many of you here are saying how parts of the bible are outdated. I wonder how the word of god can be considered outdated? If they are, god should have sent someone to write a newER testiment as he did for the new testiment when the old testiment became outdated.

[kcc238]

i am sorry, i simply must...show me a time in human history which was not bloody please.

[HeldbyGravity]

Jesus came to die for our old sins, our old ways. It is true that he did not write the New Testament. The NT is a collection of different-oh. So this is how it is.

Why does every arguement I get into turn from the original point? I am not your preacher, nor can I magically make you see what you refuse to see.

He is the SON OF GOD. Part of the HOLY TRINITY, which is Father Son and Holy Spirit. They are one. He is encased in this.

[HeldbyGravity]

In response to your answer including examples of violence in the OLD TESTAMENT:

No, I have not read the entire Bible yet. I'm slowly reading through it, starting with the New Testament. Once again though, you are focusing on the more barbaric past, rather than the way that was made for the future...

[responder12345]

I don't think that you have actually read the bible. Perhaps you should read it through and and come back and edit some of this. You can start with numbers 25; 1-9, numbers 31: 1-54, judges 19: 22-29, Joshua 11: 19-20.